Help On A 1783 170 Degree Plus Rotation

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twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 05/26/2011 7:07 pm Thanks for looking at this post. I ran into (2) 1783 Washington copper's today. They are both the same die pairing from what I can see, and are real. I have yet to buy them and I am wondering a few things. A) Value? one is AU details (Environmental damage) and the second is just (genuine) The Genuine coin looks to be Environmental damage as well and looks to be a hair nicer. B) Is the Rotated one more valuable because of the Error? They are neat a local dealer had/has them. He let me take them home and research them. The photo of the rev is taken as if it where a normal flipped coin. The rev should be up-right with the rotation it is upside down. Report this Post to the Staff

matmyers New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 05/26/2011 10:48 pm I am just an amateur, but if it were me, I would buy the error. I believe that something that old should be valuable by itself. Add on an error and the value would sail! It depends on whether you are a collector, or an investor. Report this Post to the Staff
zeewool Pillar of the Community 3660 Posts	Posted 05/27/2011 06:18 am Since these are pre-federal (private) tokens, which way is correct.... should it be rotated as a coin or as a medal? Is rotation common on examples of this type? Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 05/27/2011 07:52 am Hi Zee, That is kind of what I am asking. The photo is of 2 different coins "Tokens" With the same die pair. One is rotated 170 plus degrees from the other. So I would think one of them is not the normal rotation Report this Post to the Staff
zeewool Pillar of the Community 3660 Posts	Posted 05/27/2011 11:23 am Hi Russ, nice to see you post... Actually, the reason that I questioned which way rotation is supposed to be is that you mentioned that the coins are 'real'.... I assumed that in order to know that, a person would know which is the normal direction of rotation, and that there may be some complicating issues. These tokens were produced privately here in the US to begin with, but were subsequently produced in England also in later years using the same 1783 date....... restrikes and counterfeits abound....... Since many were made in England, and since English coins rotate in the same direction as US medals (exactly the opposite of US coins), I had to ask the question as to which way is correct (since these coins predate the tradition of 180 degree rotation as on US coins). The two coins shown do not look like the same die pair to me (not that it matters much), but George's nose and eye are quite different from coin to coin (the way I see it, but I could well be wrong). Very recently, I have seen VF-30 in PCGS plastic sell for less than $300, and raw EF go for around $500 (if that helps any). Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 05/27/2011 2:47 pm I don't believe those were ever struck in the United States. I think they were produced in England in the 1820's, about the same time as the 1783 UNITY cent was done. Report this Post to the Staff
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