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Morgan Dollar CC 1882

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 Posted 10/29/2006  12:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maxentius to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
How can it graded? Perhaps AU 50?
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 Posted 10/29/2006  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't look right to me. Looks like it was cast or something. Looks pitted and looks like a seam of some sort around the obverse rim. Just my guess.
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 Posted 10/29/2006  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a cast coin. Too much detail for something that should be looking a little older with the loss of luster it has. You can really see it in the dentils around the the rim of the coin on both the obverse and reverse. Probably cast in China. swamperbob could confirm this, he is the resident counterfeit expert.
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 Posted 10/29/2006  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur with the above. Having just (sadly) parted with an 1882-CC PCGS MS-66, this one is too rough on all the edges, has granulation, a sure sign of a casting. Is this being offered on an auction? If so, let us know which one so we can report it.

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 Posted 10/30/2006  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maxentius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all.
I've purchased this coin in a market by a dealer whom I know since long time. Many times I've verified his honesty and the autenticity of his coins (especially Roman). But he is not specialized in US coin and he has only some Morgan dollars which he sells for $ 12,00 each, without difference of grade, mint or year. Here are other Morgan dollars I've purchased from him:


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If these coins are authentic (as I hope!), I believe in his good faith. However, I'll bring back the coin to him.
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 Posted 10/30/2006  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Dollar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you did fantastic on the Morgan 1889D. Beautiful coin for $12.00 The 1921 is not a bargain as these are very plentiful and there are alot of excellent grade selections. Although it still is a Morgan and a good coin to have.
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 Posted 10/30/2006  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

FYI... Using the sharpen tool in a photo editor too heavily will give the "cast" look to any image. I think that is the case here. The photo is almost certainly oversharpened.

Try it yourself in your own photo editor with any photo and you'll quickly see what I mean.



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 Posted 10/30/2006  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unsharpened

Morgan-Dollar-CC-1882

Oversharpened

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See the grainy "cast" look it gives it?

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 Posted 10/31/2006  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You got a point there Bobby. Pictures are sometimes tough to go by. Nice coin btw. That one was the first commem I picked up. One of my favorites.
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 Posted 11/01/2006  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bobby - I get a little carried away on the sharpening sometimes, and I've also noticed, in addition to the graininess, if I sharpen the image too much it causes discoloration in the scan that isn't there in hand.
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 Posted 11/01/2006  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


The sharpen tool is what I call a necessary evil. It can be very valuable, but if used improperly, can be very detrimental.


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 Posted 11/01/2006  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins all look real to me. Why would anybody counterfeit a common date morgan? Now, if there was an 89-cc, or a 93-s in the mix.....
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 Posted 11/01/2006  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maxentius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again to all.
I respect your opinion very much, as I have no experience in US coins. But I agree with Hadleydog: why would anybody counterfeit a Morgan which is only little rarer than other ones?
Besides, I don't understand very well if the discussion about the excessive sharpness of the photos means that the coin can be authentic.
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 Posted 11/01/2006  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It can be quite profitable to counterfeit common coins since they can be sold in volume. If it costs only a few cents to counterfeit a coin worth a dollar in face value, then there's considerable profit margin and if it can be peddled on the collector market as a coin worth, say $18, there's that much more profit, especially if sold by the hundreds. Further, uneducated or semi-educated collectors are less likely to look closely at a counterfeit common coin than at one known to be a less common date and mint mark and it's even less likely that a person who has been defrauded for a small amount will attempt to recover this amount than if s/he has been defrauded for hundreds or thousands of dollars. Further, I believe counterfeit Morgans of common dates were in relatively common use back in the days when real Morgans were used in slot machines in the Nevada gambling resorts; as long as the fake Morgan approximated the actual weight and was not magnetic, it would pass through the machines.

I have a counterfeit 1898(P) Morgan which is about the same commonality as the above 1882(P). While its origin is probably China, I cannot rule out the possibility it was cast for the slot machine trade.

Maxentius, given your question about use of sharpness in photo editing, it appears you did not sharpen the image. I might conclude that the Morgan is as presented in the image: very suspicious.
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 Posted 11/03/2006  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RangerXLT8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First thing I thought when looking at the pictures was it was over-sharpened in the image editor. HArd to tell nowadays with digital photos.
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