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 Posted 10/30/2006  3:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sambsu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was told to give it a shot and post in here to see if anyone could help:

Here is the story. In 1950 my Great Grandmother went on a trip to Israel. On her way there she died of a brain anyuerism. My 16 year old Grandmother went on the same trip a few months later. While on her trip she stopped at the church where my Great Grandmother was given the last rights of the Church. This Church was in Antioch and according to my Grandmother, was founded by St. Paul. In the end the Franciscan monks at this chruch gave her this coin. I am trying to help her figure out what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Let me know if the pictures need help. Thanks.

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 Posted 10/30/2006  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
welcome to the forum, Try to be patient , some one will come along and be able to answer it . they are sometimes in different time zones. so it may take awhile . Sap or greekandromancoins will most likely be able to answer it or quite a few others here as well. I Do believe it is a Jewish War Shekel About AD. 66-70 The cup is called an Omer cup not used for liquids but was a golden utensil in the first grain harvest - known as the omer and the other side I do Not know I do know it is a common Jewish Symbol still used on Coins today. I do know all of this to be factual from a book . but the others will probably be able to offer you pages of amazing info.. my info came form the Book "Coins of the Bible" By: Arthur L. Friedberg And Published by Whitman publishing and I believe available any book store for around $19.95. Good luck and hope it helps

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 Posted 10/30/2006  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sambsu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot for the information. We have been wondering for years what this coin was. Any information on it would be more than we know now. I look forward to any more help. Thanks again.

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 Posted 10/30/2006  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it is known as one of the coins of the bible and the harvest I talked about was on Passover
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 Posted 10/31/2006  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scoutjim has the ID of this coin down just fine - Jewish First Revolt, shekel, year 2 (the year characters are the ones above the cup) or 68/9 AD. The designs are the cup and a bunch of pomegranates. Here's the Wildwinds reference for Ancient Jewish coins.

So that's what it appears to be. The question now becomes, "Is it real?"

Real Jewish shekels are both rare and expensive - current catalogue price is over 1000 British pounds for the commonest varieties. Even back in 1950 they weren't the sort of thing to be given away lightly. Archaeologically, they're rarely found outside of Israel.

Is there anything about this particular coin that makes me think it might be fake? well, I must say the edge looks suspicious. I'm not familiar with what this particular series is supposed to look like, but compared with other ancients I have of the period, it looks too even and too thick.

The style, however, looks genuine enough. These coins have been widely copied for centuries, and sold as souvenirs to pilgrims to the holy land. Sometimes the copies are fairly realistic, others look crude and/or get parts of the design wrong. There are also a series of "coins" known as "false shekels", apparently used in certain Jewish and Masonic rituals.
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This is a typical false shekel. Note the differences: the date-characters above the cup have evolved into bubbling steam, the pomegranates have evolved into Aaron's Rod with almond buds and the lettering is somewhat garbled and more modern Hebrew in shape rather than the ancinet forms used on your coin.
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 Posted 10/31/2006  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sambsu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How can someone determine if it is real or fake? Thanks


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 Posted 11/01/2006  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I'm suspicious of it, for the reasons outlined above. For more opinions, you can try posting it over on FORVM Ancient Coins - there are lots of knowledable ancients experts over there.

If you prefer "face to face" authentication, your options are to either take it to a dealer in ancient coins (normally your typical non-specialist dealer probably does't have a clue about ancients), or send it to an authentication/certification service. Both these options might cost money, so I'd only recommend this if you get some positive responses from the forums.
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