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Ancient Roma Constantine Coins - Help With Identification

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 Posted 06/01/2011  10:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ultra to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

I need your help with identification of these 3 ancient roman coins. I bought them from an auction house. Please tell me something more about them... I'm mostly interested in their rarity degree and value.

Thanks in advance

1st coin:


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2nd coin:


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Ancient-Roma-Constantine-Coins---Help-With-Identification

3rd coin:


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 Posted 06/02/2011  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nikola to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1.Constantine I,Sol standing left - Arles mint
2.Constantine I,Campgate - Siscia mint
3.Constantine I,Globe on altar inscribed - Lyons mint
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 Posted 06/02/2011  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ultra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well actually I was told that the 3rd one is of Constantine II.
They told me these RIC numbers for them (vol VII):
1. ARLES 45
2. SISCIA 215
3. LYONS 188

Would it be correct?
Can anyone tell me about their rarity degree and estimated value?
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 Posted 06/02/2011  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've just purchased the recently-released Volume IV of the Sear catalogue, which includes the coins of Constantine I, but not Constantine II. This is my first chance to actually use it.

#1: Sear #16073, billon follis, dated to 313-315 AD, common. CV $55 in EF.

#2: Sear #16253, billon centenionalis, dated to 328-329 AD, very common, CV $40 in EF.

I agree with the RIC attributions given above, as far as I can tell from Sear, though Sear tends to lump several RIC types under one Sear number.
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 Posted 06/02/2011  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just saw these, really nice details on them. The only thing I can add is that #3 is Constantine II.
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 Posted 06/02/2011  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ultra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for your help.
Any more details about that Constantine II No 3?

The only thing I'm a bit surprised is their rarity scale.
You wrote that they are "common" or "very common".
But the auction house where I bought these 3 coins told me that according to RIC,
the rarity scale of these coins is (according to the numbers)

1. R4, which means 2 to 3 known examples
2. S, which means 16 to 21 known examples
3. R3, which means 4 to 6 known examples

So which is true? Was I lied? Or maybe there are some very small details which make them unusual?
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No, your information is probably correct, as far as what is recorded in RIC VII. So, why would RIC VII call them "rare" if they are actually "common"?

Well, Sear doesn't actually give a rarity scale; it just gives prices. I was judging rarity by the price quoted, compared to prices for other coins. In both cases I quoted above, prices for these are at the bottom end of coins for Constantine, who is a common emperor to begin with.

Two things to point out: as I said above, Sear combines numerous RIC types into one Sear type; the differences between the RIC types within each Sear type are minor, such as spacing between letters or minor variations in portrait style. So it's possible that those particular RIC numbers are scarce, but Sear doesn't think this scarcity corresponds to a high value or makes them valuable and sought after enough to warrant a separate listing. Since Sear is ultimately a dealer catalogue, it's in their interest to promote rare coins as valuable if they really are rare, so it's probably safe to assume that these coins are in fact common.

Second, RIC VII dates from 1966. There's been an awful lot of coins dug up since then. While on average the rarities should still be useful from a proportion point of view, they cannot be fully trusted and actual numbers such as "4 to 6 known" are worthless. And if hoards of specific types and dates have been uncovered, that can throw the old rarity guides out the window.
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