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I've read about how, with non-satin uncirculated sets, some take out the coins and put them in albums and folders as regular biz strikes. Aren't the coins in uncirc sets struck with greater force, and wouldn't that by default make them different than normal biz strike coins?
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So you're saying that's cheating?  |
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Mint sets are produced with no special regard as to quality. They are simply uncirculated business strikes.
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Uncirculated means just that, they are uncirculated. If someone takes coins from a mint set, those coins are uncirculated. I am unsure about a difference n strike between mint set coins and those in circulation. Now Special Mint Sets and Proof Sets are a different story. Those coins are quite different than your normal business strike.
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seal006, from US mint website:
United States Mint uncirculated coins are struck on special presses using greater force than circulating coins, producing a sharp, intricately detailed image, and feature a brilliant finish.
and no almostcollectible, I'm just saying that if the coins from uncirc sets happen to different from normal circ coins for being struck harder, shouldn't they not go in the holes for biz strike coins, since these coins are being struck harder exclusively for the mint sets? I don't have anything against anyone who does this, I am just a bit confused about it.
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Actually, I think I get it... as long as the dies themselves are not altered (as with the satin process where the dies would be sandblasted), the coins being pressed from these dies aren't a different variety. And I don't think increasing the striking pressure would change the dies in any way, other than wearing them down quicker.
Edited by VisigothKing
06/09/2011 10:01 pm
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As far as I know, before 2005 mint sets included regular business strike coins. I dont think they were minted any different, but I could be wrong?
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Interesting Jango! Made me learn something! The new strike pressure must be a newer thing. I know that up until at least 2005 there was no difference in the circs. And the mint sets. Thanks.
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No problem amida! Personally I can see why some people would break open the mint sets for the coins, especially with low mintage stuff like the ATBs, 2009 dimes and nickels, etc that are hard to find. And theres no problem with that. I am not one to split apart sets for coins (I like them all together), and would rather try to find them in circulation. It makes looking through change more fun!  |
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They've been using special presses and processes to strike regular mint set coins since 1965. Not only is more pressure used, even more than for proof coins, but the presses are the old numismatic presses and they are slowed down a little to allow more time more metal to flow. New dies are used on all these coins since they are changed after only about 30,000 strikes. Coins are washed and dried after striking.
Not only are strikes better but there are other little niceties that often show up in the mint set. Some of the planchets are polished and since 1986 many planchets are burnished creating highly PL coins. Dies sometimes get some special preparation such as basining but this is not common.
The coins in mint sets are highly variable due to different techniques used year to year and within years and there are numerous oddballs.
Generally you simply can't tell a mint set coin from one made for circulation. You can't tellthe pressure or speed of the die from simply looking at a coin. All you can do is determine if it's well made or not. For many modern coins finding well made coins is almost impossible except from mint sets. Many of the moderns simply weren't saved anyway so finding a coin to compare a mint set coin to is virtually impossible. Coins like the 1969 quarter just can't be found in rolls and almost everyone you'll see came from a mint set. This is why most modern varieties are rare or scarce; most don't appear in mint sets. If they are in mint sets then they are common with usually around 15,000 surviving of the 30,000 made but if a million examples went into circulation there will probably be five coins or fewer surviving.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Cladking- just wondering where you found that info? Not trying to debate but what you say is in sharp contrast to what Whitman publishing has been saying for years?
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From what I know, the only "anomaly" ....... or "interruption" to the Uncirculated Business strike collectors (those who remove them from their O.G.P.'s for albums), were the Satin Finish ones. Other than this "hiccup", that is now thankfully gone, these are the same coins in the same sets, and made the same way since 1965. And as I understand, no noticeable difference between the coins coming out of the Uncirc. Sets or BU business strikes. These Satin Finish coins were blatantly different, and therefore a different coin entirely. So, album collectors were then forced to seek out the Uncirculated regular biz. strikes from circulation or wherever, and the Satin Finish ones from the Uncirc. Sets, then the Proofs, and the Silver Proofs to have a true "complete" album or collection. It, very frustratingly, ADDED to what we already had to do.....  Now, it's a return to the old days. You can secure the nice quality business strikes from your Uncirculated Sets......and there's no more "special Satin finish" to worry about......messing all of that up ! |
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Yeah, that would be frustrating, all those varieties for all those coins, year after year....  |
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I am so glad I collect my coins from circulation and have no problem settling for something AU.  |
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Cladking- just wondering where you found that info? Not trying to debate but what you say is in sharp contrast to what Whitman publishing has been saying for years?
I've had a keen interest in these sets since 1975. Up until 1997 the mint wouldn't admit there was any difference at all between the mint set and regular issue coins but even a cursory look will show that there is a very large difference. In many years almost all regular issue coins can be very poorly made and scratched up before they leave the mint. But almost every mint set coin is well made almost every year. Most are scratched but you can see they are made with new dies and are usually well struck. Little clues were seen all the time in the sets and the coins themselves and the mint would once in a while drop hints about the differences in production. When the details started getting out in the late-'90's there weren't many surprises for me. In the typical year the mint would make 500 million of something for circulation and 2 million for mint sets. But they'd make only a quarter million gems and ten or twenty percent of these would go into the mint sets. Finding the gems in mint sets is like shooting fish in a barrel but finding them in circulation could be almost impossible because they were mixed in with so many terrible or mediocre coins. There could be some years that no gems were made for circulations. There are many date/ mm combinations for which I never saw a gem in circulation. I looked fairly hard for a lot of the quarters because it was nice to get a bunch to set aside in the year of issue. The mint set coins would be prohibitively expensive until they were several years old. Many of the moderns weren't saved in rolls anyway so it's a moot question for them. The mint has many times released statements that imply that mint set coins are isdentical to regular issues but this is largely just unfortunate word choice. They are "all" made by unpolished dies striking an unpolished blank only a single time but the similarities end there. Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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