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Detecting Cleaned Coins

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 Posted 11/03/2006  4:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kg2blade to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone know how to detect if a coin has been cleaned with the naked eye?

I could use you help, thanks
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well some can be detected rather easily if they have been harshly cleaned because there will be lines that can be seen on the coin. Others are a little harder to detect and you just have to ask yourself if you had a coin this old, in this condition how would you expect it to look. A complete lack of luster would also constitute a coin that should be questioned to wether it has been cleaned or not
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There is no simple answer to that question. Some types of cleaning can be seen by the maked eye, because of unnatural color or visible marks on the coin. That only works if you know the type well enough to know what it_should look like.

Other methods of cleaning require expert knowledge, and a loupe, or even a microscope.

Is there a specific coin you're interested in? Perhaps you could post a pic or a link, and get people here to have a look at it.
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Both Bryan and Dave hit the nail on the head. For many or even most cleaned coins, a cleaning can be readily detected, but there are some coins which requires a real expert to make a determination meaning the professional graders at ANACS, PCGS, NGC, and ICG who can make comparisons with benchmark specimens and even then sometimes a very light cleaning decades or centuries ago may slip by them or they may decide a coin which has never been cleaned and for which its provenance (history) is documented back to the mint is labeled as "cleaned". I asked this question about degrees of cleaning, especially with those coins where it is a judgement call of James Taylor (allegedly now late of ANACS) during his January session and he never got back to me.

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This all comes back to the definition of cleaning
a) Mechanical
b) Water or Solvent
c) Acid or Base dip

In all my years of collecting I have never seen a really dirty 20 FF
gold coin ( France )
Even 200 year old coins are circulation clean
At most some residue around the letters
An ebay vendor even coined the term Cosmetically Clean
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You have to develop a sense for this. If a coin doesn't look right then the bells start to go off for me.

I begin from the over all look of the coin. There is an internal trigger with me as I look at a coin that sends up a warning. After that, I begin with the rim an progress to the devices and fields.

After a few months of practicing there is a sixth sense that kicks in.

I have many reservations about a coin that is 150 years old but looks like it was in circulation yesterday.

This is a very good question. I know I have purchased many "cleaned" coins in my 24 plus years of collecting, but you have to determine if the chemically cleaned (never whizzed) coins are at the correct pricing.

If you like the coin and know it is cleaned and at the right price, follow your instincts.

If you don't feel good about it move on. There are hundreds more like it out there.
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