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Non-Proportionate Asw Of Dimes, Quarters, Halves Vs Dollars?

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I know I live under a rock...but seriouisly...I just noticed:

90% Silver Dimes____0.0723 ASW
90% Silver Quarters__0.1808 ASW
90% Silver Halves___0.3617 ASW
90% Silver Dollars___0.7735 ASW

Now, using the dime as a baseline.

Dimes____0.0723 ASW (ASW equivalent of 1 dime)
Quarters__0.1808 ASW (ASW equivalent of 2.5 dimes)
Halves___0.3617 ASW (ASW equivalent of 5 dimes)
Dollars___0.7735 ASW (ASW equivalent of 10.7 dimes)

Wait...hold on...where did that extra 0.7 come from?
Ten 90% silver dimes are NOT equal to a silver dollar?
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What does ASW stand for?
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Actual silver weight.
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I do not know why, but yes the dollars have more silver than $1 of various coins.
It is good to know.
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Oh... thank you.
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Your figures are correct. The silver dollar does have more silver than $1.00 face of dimes/quarters/halves. I know there was a good reason for this, but I don't recall it at the moment. Hopefully someone else can chime in.

Also " War Nickels" have the highest silver/face value ratio of any of the classic silver coin.:-) That would have been a great coin to hoard at face back when silver was circulating.
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Didn't know that about War Nickels...huh! I have learned two new things today!

(note to self, no longer accurate to sum up dimes, quarters, halves with dollars when doing melt value calculations...oops)
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If I am not mistaken, it takes 14 Merc Dimes to make 1 oz. of silver....

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My Merc dime average weight is 2.44 grams so yes, 14 would be .989 troy oz of pure silver.

My other average weights go like this:
Morgans 26.66 grams
Franklin half 12.36 grams
Liberty half 12.15 grams
JFK half 12.53 grams
quarter 6.16 grams

So when buying 90% silver I add up the # of coins X ave weight and put that into the online calculator here for 90%
http://dendritics.com/scales/metal-...USD&Markup=0

I never have used that face value method of valuing silver coins.


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As I have posted before (in more detail) a 40% dollar contains about 9% more silver than $1 worth of 40% quarters and halves.
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huh...which quarters have 40% silver?
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The 1776-1976 bicentennial quarters in the special uncirculated and proof three coin sets are 40% silver.
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Wow! Huh...learning even more with this thread than I expected!

Thanks jbuck
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Wait...hold on...where did that extra 0.7 come from?
Ten 90% silver dimes are NOT equal to a silver dollar?



Your figures are correct. The silver dollar does have more silver than $1.00 face of dimes/quarters/halves. I know there was a good reason for this, but I don't recall it at the moment. Hopefully someone else can chime in.

It's all to do with seigniorage - the difference between a coin's face value and the cost that went in to making it (total costs, which include refining and assaying the metal, making the dies and making the blanks, and labour costs), which is booked as profit earned by the government. And it's not that the dollar is "too heavy", rather it's all the other coins that are "too light".

If you've got a "dollar's worth of silver" to be turned into coins, it costs more to make four quarters or ten dimes out of it than it costs to make a single large dollar - more blanks need to be punched out, more time on the coin press, more dies need to be made, more labour costs. To make up this extra cost (and to keep the production of the smaller coins profitable), smaller coins contain slightly less silver than the larger coins compared to what they "should have".

In the Latin Monetary Union coinage standard (used by most of continental Europe prior to World War I), we see the same effect, although there it is the fineness of the largest coin that is higher, rather than the weight - a large 5 francs coin weighs exactly the same as five small 1 franc coins, but the 5 franc coin is .900 fine silver, while the 1 franc coins are only .835 fine.
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huh...which quarters have 40% silver?

Those would be the ones that were made from 1965 to 1970. 90% silver was used in US silver coins prior to this.
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Those would be the ones that were made from 1965 to 1970


That is only for halfs. Not quarters.
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