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1982 LMC Large Date Zinc DDO?

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Could this be the doubled die variety in EDS? I cannot find the scratches as markers, but the letters on the obverse are very similar.


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 Posted 07/04/2011  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some different angles with different lighting.


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 Posted 07/04/2011  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to tell on the '82's because they are normally thick looking. Your photo looks like a normal coin to me but I am no pro.
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No that is the way they looked that year in the large date style.
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Then how is this http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...ie_state=mds considered a doubled die? I do not see much difference.
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seal006, On your coin the LIB is not as thick as it needs to be for it to be a DDO.IMHO,
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is that a die crack on the reverse (running SE from the rim through the D on united). If so, should be a good marker...
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Coop,

You are showing one of the two known COPPER DDO for the 1982 Large Date. The other COPPER DDO does not show seperation like the one you posted. The ZINC one that I posted the link from copper coins DOES NOT show separation either, merely spread. Neither of which are valued as high as the one you depict, because of the lack of separation. Hence my question, how can mine NOT be a DDO when there are photos of ones that have similar attributes posted on the most authoritative website for Lincoln varieties with the DDO designation?
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If you feel it is a doubled die, submit it. They can check it out for you. Hands on is the best way to tell. The difference between the doubled die on the coppercoins three listed ones is that the hubbing was different from each die. Showing more/less doubling on each example. These are from three different dies. If it isn't one of these three dies, it may be a new one not listed yet. The LIBERTY is different from the 003 listed. So submission is my recommendation.
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I agree with coop (submit it). If you are right, as an added bonus, if it is a new Doubled Die, then your name will live forever.
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Egads seal! That's my coin you're calling out!

I wasn't sure either when I posted it. It looked as though it was much thicker than normal and coppercoins said "maybe" and that they would need to see it. So, I sent it in.

Bob Piazza looked at it and decided it was, so he listed it. I'd much rather find something of more significance - but, hey, I'll take it (for now)- LOL!
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LOL Scooby, I am not calling out your coin. I was just telling Coop that not all DDO have seperation like the one he was trying to show me. coppercoins.com is full of DDO and DDR coins that simply have spread. Now granted, most of those are much harder to tell than their counterparts, and have a value that is usually much less, but they DO exist. If I recall correctly on your coin, the skeptics kept saying it did not have the PUP of the coins already attributed. I was posting this coin mainly to see how folks on this forum react to the possibility of an undiscovered variety. Also to see if I could get a feel for how much spread without separation could be deemed a DDO.
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If you are seeing doubling and you need to use too high a power to see it, then it is too minor.
If you take several images with a camera and the doubling doesn't show on the images, then it is too minor.
If you need to ask, it is probably too minor. A good doubled die will leap right out at you and you will have NO doubt it is a doubled die. Then you know it's not too minor. After finding a few of these you will know what I mean.
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I agree that 82 zinc DDO is a tough one to verify.
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