As Promised

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Originally posted by TLS5933

Thanks for making my day Bryan.I have five Morgans at ANACS right now.1891's 92's and 94's.

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Hey you know what you are getting back, I have no beef with ANACS and I actually think they are a great company, I just think they have a major problem on their hands. The main reason I wanted to show this is because I have heard about how easy this was to do but never really saw any pictures proving the fact and even James Taylor said the same thing when he was here, he said that they have never had any factual proof that this could be done. I was really hoping that everyone was just on their high horse and was just putting down ANACS for the newest thing they were doing, that is until I received the 1909 VDB and saw how flimsy the slab really was and noticed with just a twist it popped open like a clam shell (even though with that slab I wasn't careful and cracked the edge) I had already purchased this DMPL to replace the morgan I had in the Dansco and figured I would try to be more careful this time and give everyone the proof that no one else seemed to want to supply with their accusations. Do I trust ANACS, I sure do, but after seeing this, do I trust coins (that I didn't submit myself) in the new ANACS slabs, Heck No!!

just wanted to show the coin that "was" in the holder

Bryan, that's scary. Here we have a trusted top TPG whose new slabs are vulnerable and suddenly, the trust goes out the window. I recommend you send copies of the images to ANACS to give them proof that they have a problem. James Taylor may have been in denial, but your evidence is overwhelming.

I had submitted a couple Morgans to ANACS a few weeks ago which came back in the new slabs, but I immediately resold them without looking at them very closely in terms of ease of tampering. I was getting ready for another ANACS submission in another month or two, but I think I'll hold off for now.

Great detective work!

Fred

I am really not trying to tear into ANACS and make themn out to be a bad company with this post, I was just doing it as an informational post to show that it could be done and could definately fool people (like me who does not see alot of these slabs to compare) I looked at the slab closely everywhere possible and it looked like it did when it arrived in the mail today except it had a different coin in it but I didn't take pictures of the edges and stuff like I should have to show the others on the other forum that there was no distinguishing marks that I could see to say it was tampered with. It had absolutely no cracks or no gaps where the two peices fit together or anything. I had already taken the coin back out and kept the peices I always keep 9the label, and the insert that holds the coin and thrown the rest away and they are now outsiude in the large trashcan and since its night time I can't go out there and get it back out to take more pictures (not even sure what condition the slab is in now anyway since being thrown in the garbage) so if the slab is damaged I will have to do the same thing again and take plenty of before and after pics for the other ones who want more proof (which I should have gotten but like I said I wasn't trying to prove ANACS has a poor product, just wanted to show it could be done to kind of make everyone aware that if I could do it so easily others are probably doing it also) But I may be doing another one if I can find another ANACS slabbed coin I need for a price I am willing to pay and I will show better pictures of each side and each corner and before and after shots so be prepared for them to be coming soon. Another thing I was told is that the super glue woyld cause the plastic to haze after awhile, it didn't haze it here but it was on there a very limited time just to take the picture then crack the coin back out and place it back in the dansco album

Very interesting post. Thanks for the great pictures and descriptions.

I see a more obvious difference in the labels other than the blue color.

Check out the large "A" icon logo above the word "ANACS"

The 1¢ label has "red" in the center of the "A" whereas the $1 has a "silver center" within the "A".

I wonder if this is another sign of the differents in the slab?

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Originally posted by Bryan1315

I have found out there is two different versions of these slabs a version 1 and a so called version 2. The 1909 VDB I mentioned that was allot softer and more pliable was the Version 1 and the harder one with the morgan is the Version 2 holder which they made to make it harder to be popped open they say but it was more sturdy when twisting like I mentioned I did with the 1909 VDB but it was still way to easy to pop open with little force and without cracking the slab. People on the PCGS forum have informed me of how to tell the differences between the two types just by looking at them, the 1st version has a darker blue on the label than the version 2 does, I have a picture I am going to show which does show the difference (I just thought it was because of different denomination of the coins but evidently ANACS had tried to fix the problem once without admitting defeat. I seem to be getting allot different response over on the PCGS forum than I am here about this, they say they can tell (I can tell you I couldn't) but I am not the most worried about the advanced collector because they would be able to grade the coin them self anyway and not go by the plastic, the the new collector that relies on what the plastic says that I am most worried about here, and they may not be able to pick up on the cues that it was tampered with like a veteran collector may be able to who see's many many of these slabs and can tell a difference between one that has been tampered with and one that hasn't. anyhow here is a picture showing the different color of blue on the label between version 1 and version 2 (the 1909 VDB is a Version 1)

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