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Another Julius Caesar Real Or Fake?

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 Posted 07/22/2011  1:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have two Julius Caesar coins that I have checked against the known fakes and I don't see a match. The first coin is worn thin and only weighs 3.22 grams, while the second coin has sharper images and weighs 3.25 grams. Both are 18mm across and both have tested very positive for silver content (90-100% silver). There are no edge seams. So, what is the consensus? Real or Fake?

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 Posted 07/23/2011  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I truly wish some of you would take a close look at these coins and provide your opinions of which I value very highly. Thanks once again for looking.
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 Posted 07/24/2011  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at these a couple of days ago and ended up just going around in circles thinking fake, genuine, fake, genuine, my head was spinning by the time I finished.

This is not a coin or era that I'm too familiar with but what I can say (I hope) without fear of being corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me is the following:

At first glance, both coins look good and the busts are in fact very attractive if a little worn and a lot alike!

Both coins are struck and not cast - the damage on the second one means I could be wrong but think I'm right.

Both are high content silver - helps reach a decision but not a deal breaker as forgers are happy to use the correct metals.

Weights are both possible for the real thing.

The bust on yours very, very closely matches the following known fakes:

http://www.forgerynetwork.com/asset...a/98r25ri74=
http://www.forgerynetwork.com/asset...COuMeiGDPzU=
http://www.forgerynetwork.com/asset...x0aBkoUWpG4=

I personally think one of these is an exact match to your obverses, I dont think any of them are exact matches to the reverse though.

Your coins are in a much more worn state making it harder to say for certain. Without handling the coins I would put them into the 'very questionable' category.

If I was to have a guess (I stress I dont consider myself an expert on these) I would say they were deliberately aged (damaged) versions of the coins I have linked to above or other similar fakes made by the same people.

If I was to further speculate I would say that the forgers knew they had been rumbled and started deliberately damaging the coins hoping the continue to pass them off as the real thing and in highish volumes.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, sorry.
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 Posted 07/24/2011  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just an additional note on the top coin - It may just be the picture but it looks like it has very 'mechanical' wear marks on it.

This could be due to over harsh cleaning but I think it points to the original fake being worked with something like a Dremel to age it. As for the second god knows what it was put through to get it into that state.
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 Posted 07/24/2011  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd be inclined to call them both genuine, though the second coin is so badly damaged it's really difficult to call one way or the other. The second coin appears to be fire damaged.
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 Posted 07/24/2011  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I by no means can make an expert judgement, but here are two coins from wildwinds and vcoins to compare your two coins with.



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top two coins wildwinds.....vcoins

bottom two.... jwharper's coins

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 Posted 07/26/2011  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wei Fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'd be inclined to call them both genuine, though the second coin is so badly damaged it's really difficult to call one way or the other. The second coin appears to be fire damaged.


Fire damaged, or inexpertly cast? I wonder if it's the latter?

The first one rubs me the wrong way too, but that might just be all the scratches throwing me off.

But I'm really no expert on these.
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