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New Member
United States
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Is it real or fake? It is a Mintage Rome 45-44 Julius Caesar Laureate Head facing Right with reverse description (as described by seller) as being Juno Sophista driving biga,brandishing spear and shield. It is noted to be the first series(?) displaying a portrait of a person. I couldn't find any coin associated with Julius Caesar That matched this one. I can't tell if its; 1 real, 2 the example as given or what it actually is. Any help would be greatly appreciated! The reverse is totally indistinguishable to me of any detail. The weight is approximately 5 grams and the largest diameter I could measure is 22.5 mm   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Ummm, Sorry about being a bit offensive but I don't think anyone would reproduce a coin in such bad quality, it must be real.
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New Member
 United States
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Well, there goes my ino-sense! Drat-it anyway. If you rotate the (excuse my non numismatist terminology)front of the coin and study it, it is obvious (no knock intended) that it is a face facing right. There are letters beginning on the right side about 2:00. It appears there are two. On the back of the head or neck there are several letters also. I don't speak Greek, Roman (Latin) or anything but poor American English, but was told by the seller that this coin "was" designed or stamped by the moneyer Marcus Mettius as his minting sign(?) was on it. And it was stated that it was "possibly" the first to be minted of the portrait coins to be minted.All my research shows that the lettering (type) is not from any listed, shown, noted coinage that I have been able to compare it with. Everything else has type below or non exist-ant in the area of the nose. I love this researching, but darned I do with I know what it actually was? Thanks for your evaluation, it is true when one thinks about it. But it sure went through the laundry of sand to look as it does. I took a 15 Megapixel picture of it at angles and in the right view it does have detail of a right facing head with a scull cap and some ear area protection. But my main downfall is the inability of reading Latin. Boy, I should have listened to my high school guidance consular back in the 1960's!
I would hate to part with it, but would consider something in the range of $30,000 to $38,000 if your interested. Cause I do see you drooling!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I would consider using it to prop up the short leg on a wobbly table. Just sayin'.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If I looked that good in 2000 years, I would be surprised.
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
Wow, tell me this is initiation, cause you guys play pretty tough. I mean brand new hoping for nice and get whomped on by a painted hussy telling me my coin is ugly and then some squaw reinforcing it. Man, Don Rickles didn't do this much damage. I'm gettin out of this coin collecting thing. Bikers are nicer. Anybody wanna buy a an uncirculated 1908 SVDB for a couple bucks, I think I need a new Harley?
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Valued Member
United States
200 Posts |
Unless the 08 was a typo, I'm considering ignoring you. Even if it wasn't, just more reason.  Any reason for me not to? Edited by Tam
07/25/2011 4:09 pm
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New Member
United States
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And by the way, That NOD2003 is "OK" in my book, I think he has lived life and knows the ropes! NOD2003, you need anything and I'm there with ya. Those guys a "Pennycollector.calm" sure were right about some here; "mean as a junk-yard-dog". But that's OK, I get nicer when I deal with mean. I might wanna bring out my other coins for friendly judgment, and let the dogs of war chew on-um a bit. But darned, reality sucks, or at least does tursurary (spell) damage to us old people!
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
Tam, That's "jaundice" that eye thing.You may wish to seek to medical attention real soon. As it is a pork related thing! No, I only wish I had grabbed that 1908 SVDB in 68 like I could have, but $40.00 when a gallon of gas was half-a-rock was pretty hard to consider.I do know this; If you buy anything right now and sit on it (figuratively speaking) for forty years it will be worth more than you spent for it. I really hoped that I fell into a diamond being sold by a desperate person and removed the paint and ended with a Leonardo! But not to be. However, thanks to suckers like me, the world is a better place, cause users have more money to spend and that means greater taxes!
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 Australia
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The coin your seller is describing is this one. Comparing the details on it with what's visible on your coin, I can see some similarities, such as the portrait and something resembling a chariot, but there's simply not enough detail visible in the pictures to call it one way or the other. 5 grams and 22.5mm sounds awful big for a denarius; the one linked to above weighs 3.21 grams. Does your coin appear to be made of silver? I can't tell from the pics. If it's not silver, then it can;t be a Julius Caesar coin; no Roman bronze coins were made in his name. The metal looks "crystallized", making me think it is an actual ancient coin rather than a modern imitation, but I really can't say too much more than that based on the visible details. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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This provincial could be a style match but the metal would be wrong. http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/imp/...RPC_1116.jpgQuote:
I would consider using it to prop up the short leg on a wobbly table Haha - maybe Julius Caesar used it to prop up the short leg up on his table? If we can work out what it is its almost certainly real as nobody would fake a coin in this condition. |
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United States
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Thank you bobbyhelmet and SAP for your direction. I have included a head(?)picture from a different angle that will show much greater detail as well as true color. You now can see the letters to the left of the head and those to the right of the face around the nose area. The color is almost gold, not silver as in a 1980's shekel and most surely not the bronze of my 317 A.D. Constantine 1 or my 337-350 A.D. bronze Constans. The detail of the back (there I go using "regular people" words, sorry) inverse is much harder to make out and I have included a picture of it also.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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For future reference:
Front:obverse
Back:reverse
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Valued Member
United States
200 Posts |
I like this AtEase guy, gives what he gets,  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2838 Posts |
I like him too. Call me crazy but I also prefer: Front: Front Back: Back  |
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
It's obvious that I am speaking to a learned group of individuals; "inverse, diverse, reverse and obverse". I appreciate that. Reminds me of a time as a child in a room of fifty or so individuals, all were standing around, one person pointed at a window, all but one, including this young child knew what he was point at. The one that didn't understand, he was a window expert and wasn't sure if the individual pointing meant the glass, the frame, the insulation or something else.
Sometimes ya have to call heads "heads" and Tails "tails! It amazes me how the intimidation to a new old or young individual coming into something with lots of enthusiasm but little knowledge can be turned off so easy and quickly his or her fire of enthusisiam smothered by "expertise". Much like Christ correcting the Paraphrase's and Sagateese's (spell) for being all so Word knowledgeable, but not have any applicable knowledge. Give me the innocence of a child's interest any day over an old fuddy-duddy expert. But don't get me wrong, knowledge is power! And I do wish to avail myself of all the power here regarding this crazy coin, and this interesting hobby of touching history first-hand. So bring it on and I will make every attempt to be correct as best this elderly mind can. It only means I have to throw away some other once useful words to make a place for these new ones.
So; TAM, Jangofett, bobbyhelmet, 10xloupe (and I have one also), SOP, NOD2003 and , yes even the wobbly table adviser;pls, do any of you have a clearer picture of my coin. Cause I really, really, really do want to know if Caesar had anything to do with it?
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Posted 07/25/2011 2:46 pm
