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I picked this up in a collection I bought. I was quite excited when I saw it, but then I turned it over..... Theres no need to return it or contact the seller because I got a great deal on everything else. Question 1. What caused this? Question 2. what would the value be?   |
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It looks like a fake to me and somebody scratched off the plating to prove that it was a fake. Then unfortunately they passed it along to you so you thought that you got a deal. The 1858 penny is a valuable coin so it was likely faked by the Chinese.
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The further the point that it is a Chinese fake. The 1858 penny was 95% copper. That looks like copper plating with a tin center.
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 yeah, you can see plating, especially around the O of ONE and the C of CENT. Value is not really existant, except as perhaps a replica to use as a benchmark for an authentic 1858, sorry. |
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Report to the RCMP Fraud Division,keep all receipts and documents.
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the copper appears to me to be under the covering....it also does not match the fakes from China
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Another case of Sinophobia
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While this is a crappy '58, it is not a Chinese fake. It doesn't have any of the markers. It looks to have been very very harshly cleaned and then covered with a coating to cover up the cleaning. If you want a good look at what is underneath, take some acetone to the surface. The value would be down around the G area due to the cleaning. A buyer would pick this up as a filler only, unless they didn't mind the cleaning and were looking for that particular die pair.
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The gray color is not on top of the copper. The copper is on top of the gray. The copper looks to be peeling off.
What exactly is acetone and where can I get it? What are some brand names?
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It is strange looking , can'tsee it being made of any thing else then plate it.
Acetone is nail polish remover, but the better way to buy is to get it froma paint store or Home Depot a pint is around 10 dollars. Very flamable use in well ventilated room with no flame it is really volitile. A bowl of it will evaporate in a couple hours. It will remove grease dirt etc without hurting the coin, rinse in distilled water after a soaking in it .
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If the copper is peeling off then there is no way that it is real. Unless you have the rarest 1858 penny ever made and it is somehow 95% tin, 4% copper and 1% zinc meaning the biggest coin error ever. It is supposed to be 95% copper, 4% tin and 1% zinc. There is no way it is composed of that.  |
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Hard to say for sure without having the coin in hand, but I wonder if the underlying green isn't some type of copper chloride corrosion of an original coin and somebody tried to paint over it.
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You should at least stablize this coin the copper between the 1 and c looks to be lifting,could it be a copy or miss strike on the wrong planchet or original restored , be fun to know what the experts say.
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Well, after soaking the coin in acetone for 24 hours, there is no change. I could post a picture, but it would look excatly like the ones already posted.
I just remembered that I have a 1902 large cent that is completely "silver" looking and it was suggested that there was an electro-chemical sort of thingy that had happened to it. could this penny be the result of putting an electic charge to it? Just thinking out loud here.
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More than likely is. bosox is THE authority on 1858/59 large cents. His books are awesome.
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Posted 08/01/2011 5:41 pm
