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Could This Hobby Go The Way Of My Other One?

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 Posted 08/03/2011  12:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I also collect Comics. CGC is the TPG for that Hobby. It is owned by the same folks that own NGC.

If you think there are two camps in coins you should see the Comics forums. There are Collectors and there are Speculators.

By and large Collectors will not buy slabbed comics. The reason is price. The price to slab a Comic. You see, for High end Comics there is no set price for grading. Instead you pay 2.5% of Fair Market Value(FMV). And that FMV is for a slabbed book, not an unslabbed book, for which multiply by 3.

So how long until NGC starts the same policy with Coins? One of the big concerns is that with pricing predicated on FMV, it then becomes advantageous to the TPG to grade as high as possible. This has led to a loss of confidence in the grade assigned by the TPG, among the collector segment of the hobby. On the other hand, the speculators love it. Because they took a raw 20 dollar book from one table at a convention/show (that was graded as vg/f) and then walked it through the grading both where it got a VF and is now worth in the $200 range. Who then is the market? Not the general collecting public. It is rather the Speculator market. There is now a total disconnect between the two markets.

Seriously would you rather spend upwards of $1500 to slab a a coin? Or would you like to take that $1500 and buy yourself another coin or coins? Remember this is not pie in the sky stuff, this is the actual pricing structure already in place in another division of NGC.

Thoughts?
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 Posted 08/03/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NGC is pretty strict about grades when I send my comics in for grading when it started out, so I can't say how it is now.

I am not sure if there's fee that high to slab (a) coin from NGC, but if its ever that high, I can be sure of the coin got to be in the tens or hundred thousands dollars range.
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 Posted 08/03/2011  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see how any TPG company could start to charge a % of the coins value to slab it. I just don't think people will stand for it. I am shocked that comic collectors or speculators would pay that kind of money.
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 Posted 08/03/2011  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would just stop buying slabbed coins unless the price was right for the grade/condition/eye appeal of the coin.

Oh wait, I do that now.
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 Posted 08/03/2011  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What do slabbed comics look like?
Is it still possible to read them?

I do never buy the slab but if I happen to buy a coin with plastic wear, I make sure I agree with the price for the coin and not the price for the pretended grade.
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 Posted 08/04/2011  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Is it still possible to read them?

No.
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