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The "Why" Of National Currency Notes?

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I have been trying to learn about paper money collecting, and especially the historical economic reasons for the various types of currency since 1862. I can understand the historical and economic reasons, as well as the legal authority, for United States Notes ("greenbacks"), Gold Certficates, Silver Certificates, and Federal Reserve Notes. I do not understand, however, why a private bank (after the Legal Tender Act of 1862) would seek a national charter to issue its own notes as National Currency under the National Banking Act of 1863. Other than to assure depositors that its deposits were secured by government bonds, what was the economic motivation for a private bank to issue paper money labelled "National Currency?" Were these notes also printed by the BEP? The same question for Federal Reserve Bank Notes ---- with all the other four types of currency in circulation in 1914, what was the purpose of a "National Currency" Note issued by a Federal Reserve Bank? And, other than a difference in design, how did it differ from a Federal Reserve Note? Thank you.
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This is a link to Chapter two of a book that explains what happened to the dollar. The whole book is interesting, but there are many changes of wording on the notes over the years is shown on examples of $10 notes.

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/rape2.shtml
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Very interesting discussion of the conflict between the National Banking Act of 1863 and the US Constitution, Art. I, sec. 8. I believe that the Supreme Court quickly upheld the federal issuance of paper money under the "necessary and proper" clause, as it usually does in times of real or hyped-up emergency --- as it did in the 1940's giving its blessing to concentration camps for Japanese-Americans. The reference, however, still does not explain why a private bank would want to issue its own currency when the federal government took over that function under the Legal Tender Act of 1862. What would be the advantage to the bank -- advertising? getting a competitive edge over non-chartered banks? And why would the Federal Reserve Banks issue its own "National Currency"?
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Why a Private bank would want to issue its own money -- quite simply power,control and any other possiable conspiracy
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It is my understanding that... the constitution gives the government the right to make money. That is to produce a product (money) that has real value not imagined value. Then the government was persuaded to give this right away to the "Federal Reserve Bank" which is a Private bank. The government has some appointments to the board but it is not owned by the American people but by private bankers. Just as "Federal Express" is private company and not owned by the people.

The Private bankers have, over the years, provided paper currency to the Government, but that paper currency is no longer backed by silver or gold. It's just paper that people have put their trust in. Perhaps that is why they put "In God We Trust" because no one would trust a private banker or politicians.

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I believe that Federal Reserve Banks are not privately owned but are 12 agencies of the federal government created by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, functioning like the National Bank creatyed in 1791 and again in 1816. The federal reserve system distributes coins and currency in each of the 12 regions, at the request of mem,ber banks, as the need for circulating money arises. My question is, back in 1863 when "wild cat" (privately-issued) banknotes were made obsolete by the National Currency Act, renamed the National Banking Act, why would any individual bank want to issue paper money in its own name when the federal government had already natonalized the currency with "greenbacks" (United States Notes) under the Legal Tender act of 1862? What was the benefit to the bank to have its name on a banknote? Did it re-assure the local citizenry of the bank's financial soundness? Did it give the bank a competitive edge over other non-chartered banks?
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Originally posted by houston_guy462004

I believe that Federal Reserve Banks are not privately owned but are 12 agencies of the federal government created by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, functioning like the National Bank creatyed in 1791 and again in 1816. The federal reserve system distributes coins and currency in each of the 12 regions, at the request of mem,ber banks, as the need for circulating money arises. My question is, back in 1863 when "wild cat" (privately-issued) banknotes were made obsolete by the National Currency Act, renamed the National Banking Act, why would any individual bank want to issue paper money in its own name when the federal government had already natonalized the currency with "greenbacks" (United States Notes) under the Legal Tender act of 1862? What was the benefit to the bank to have its name on a banknote? Did it re-assure the local citizenry of the bank's financial soundness? Did it give the bank a competitive edge over other non-chartered banks?



National banks issued their own currency because they made money on the outstanding circulation. The US Government required each bank to purchase federal bonds and leave them on deposit with the US Treasurer. This was good for the US Government because it was a new supply of funds and good for the banks who received a safe return from the interest paid on the bonds. Now, with the bonds as backing, the US Gov't. printed currency and sent it to the bank, who promptly loaned it out creating more interest income. For the bank, they were getting interest twice on the same capital.

This was also a follow through from the obsolete bank note era. People were used to accepting currency with names of local banks, not these new US Notes (Legal Tender Notes) which weren't redeemable for anything but debts owed to the US. Now with the issue of nationals, people had an even better local currency, with the signatures of local community leaders, like the bank president and cashier, as before but with the Federal guarantee that if the bank failed, the US Government would pay the notes off with the proceeds of the bonds deposited in Washington.

"In God we Trust" was added to paper money during the 1950s as the result of an almost single-handed effort by a currency collector and deeply religious person named Matt Rothert. It first appeared on coins during the Civil War as the result of the efforts of another deeply religious person, a minister (I don't recall his name), who wrote to Salmon Chase who thought it was an excellent idea.

However, our founding fathers, particularly Jefferson who spoke of a "wall" between Church and State opposed the mention of "God" on our money. When our first coins were designed, many wanted Washington's portrait on them. Washington rejected this claiming this was too similar to European coins which depicted the king or queen. There was no king or queen in America and Washington recognized that the power to govern in a democracy was in it's people. Also rejected were the standard European legends which typically read "D.G. Rex" or similar which translated to "King by the grace of God", again because Americans believed that the power to rule didn't come from God but came from the people. Use of of "God" on our money was specifically rejected by our Founding Fathers for good reason.

"Liberty" was the word required on our money from the start of this Country, and to this day. This was shortened from "Liberty, Parent of Science and Industry". This was saying give the people freedom and liberty and science, advancement, industry and progress will result. Again, the emphasis is on the people making their own destiny as a result of opportunity, not God, not because it's our God-given right and a preordained destiny. The thinking of our Founding Fathers was downright inspirational. -Russell Kaye, Sellitstore
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Sellitstore has hit on the answer, the banks made a profit by issuing the currency. But he has missed one part of it. The banks had to depost government bonds with the treasury as security, and then they were allowed to issue note up to I believe 90% of the face value of the bonds. So if they deposited 10 million dollars face in bonds they could issue 9 million dollars in currency. But you don't PAY the face value when you buy government bonds. They are sold at a discount to face. With some types of bonds the discount is as low as 50% of face. In that case you pay 5 million dollars for 10 million in bonds, and then can issue 9 million in currency using the bonds as backing. In effect you have gotten an instant interest free loan of 80% of the the interest the government will pay you over the years on the bonds. In the meantime you can put that interest to work earning more interest. It effectively doubles the amount of money available that you can tap but which the banks that don't get charters can't.
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