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Russian Coin That I'm Struggling To Identify | Bale Seal

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 Posted 08/15/2011  10:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add James21170 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello to all.

This I think is a coin which I'm finding hard to identify.

A russian friend of mine say's that it doesn't make sense as to what is written on it and was wondering if anyone here can help.

Kind regards, James.

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Russian-Coin-That-I'm-Struggling-To-Identify-|-Bale-Seal

Identified - moved to Exonumia forum - Sap
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08/15/2011 10:27 am
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 Posted 08/15/2011  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If its possible-better pictures please.Use free image optimiser to crop pictures and adjust size.
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08/15/2011 11:36 am
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 Posted 08/15/2011  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A long shot - but could this be Bulgarian and not Russian? Both used the Cyrillic alphabet.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Romario to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is not a coin.
It looks like a lead seal
Is it heavy?
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 Posted 08/16/2011  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James21170 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it's heavy..

I've described it as a "coin" but yes your thoughts of it being a seal are what I had thought too.

The only trouble there is that the picture is of both sides of the item. One item.

If it was a seal, wouldn't one side be flat.?

It is I think lead..

Kind regards.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James21170 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Russian friend has found out that the two nn at the top of the item is Russian for PP and has referenced this to the war time postal service.

Regards, James.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  04:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Romario to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey! I've found the article about Russian merchandise lead seals in England!
Russians sold wheat flour to England and they were using lead seals on the packs.
It was in the beginning of 20th century
Here is the link for russian friend:
РУССКИЕ ТО'АРНЫЕ ПЛОМ'Ы ' АН"ЛИЙСКОЙ - ЕМЛЕ
http://poisklegend.ru/index.php?topic=248.0
ПП could mean "пшеничный помол" (wheat milling) or just the initials of the owner
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 Posted 08/16/2011  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James21170 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's superb information.

It does look like some kind of ID tag I must admit.

I'll let her take a look at the link.

Thank you very much.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  05:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct. It's a "Russian bale seal". See this page and these pages for several dozen different types. The ones from the late 1700s / early 1800s resemble yours.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Romario to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
James, look at this seal: http://ourpasthistory.com/Gallery/b...eal4allectus

Your seal has П.П. letters
I think it is Петербургский Порт (St.Petersburg Port)
Not Arkhangelsk Port
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08/16/2011 06:12 am
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 Posted 08/16/2011  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James21170 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is all fantastic information.

I'm pretty convinced with this information that the bale seal is what it is.

Thank you for all your help to everyone..

Excellent work.

Very kind regards, James.
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