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New Member
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I purchased 2 of these coins awhile back and have not seen any anywhere. Can anybody help me out. The Red Book does not have any information on them. 1st I would like to know if they are really true coins, 2nd I would like to know their worth. Image: 1804 F.jpg13.86 KB Image: 1804 B.jpg13.64 KB
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Valued Member
United States
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Ok, who is going to tell him? MM 
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Moderator
 United States
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quote: Originally posted by morganman
Ok, who is going to tell him?
MM 
I'll break the bad news. Ironeagle, let's just say that your coins are (hopefully) an inexpensive lesson as to the prevalence of cheap counterfeits in the world of coin collecting. There is not a chance that those are real. Their worth is insignificant - even for counterfeits, they're common.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you have the hard-bound 2007 Red Book, the 1804 dollar (not Trade dollar) is on page 204. You either have 2 of 15 known...or not.
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Bedrock of the Community
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but if you happen to look at the pictures this coin is not a Trade dollar
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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They look like white metal counterfeits to me. Given that there are only 15 1804 dollars in existence the chances of yours actually being real ones are infitesimal.
Mark
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Pillar Of The Community
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I didn't take the time to look at the photos as the description says " Trade dollars" and I was already certain they were not original 1804 silver dollars.
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Valued Member
United States
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I am a novice, but the site that I spend most of my time on says that an 1804 would be a Seated Liberty Silver Dollar like the one below.  And a Trade dollar looks like this.  If you would like to buy a real Trade dollar, go to the link below. They have two of them. ***Link removed by Susanlynn9 due to rule requiring 50 posts to offer items for sale.***
Edited by JeffMo 12/02/2006 11:31 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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quote: Originally posted by JeffMo
but the site that I spend most of my time on says that an 1804 would be a Seated Liberty Silver Dollar like the one below.
Not so. The pictures ironeagle provided are of the correct style. The mistake he made was calling it a Trade dollar. And JeffMo: I hope you are trying to be a legitimate member of our community and not a shill for your coin site. This song is getting OLD.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is what the 1804 dollars look like (the real one)and as you can see his is a counterfeit copy of the originals. Even though WScoin doesn't list a 1804 dollar doesn't mean they do not exist, it just means they don't have any and chances are they never will http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dol...r_Dollar.htm
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New Member
United States
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Might I say this was a very interesting and informative post for someone new to the hobbie like me. Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are numerous versions of these 1804 Dollars. They have been copied for years because the real ones are so RARE. They are collectable as Counterfeits. The early copies are worth far more than the Modern Chinese copies. They are made usually of white metal but I own several that are full weight silver struck copies. There is a good website for beginners who want to know a little more about them. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/reidg.../page_7.html
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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JeffMo Regarding the "type" dollar that would be the correct for 1804, I would like to add the following comments. First, the mint did produce dollar coins in 1804 in fairly large numbers but they were all made with dies dated 1803. In those days, the mint tended to use old dies until they were worn out. Second, the 15 or so real 1804 dollars were made in the 1830s at at least two different times. Third in about 1836 the Gobretch Dollar design using a Seated Liberty Figure with a Flying Eagle was produced. Fourth, the Seated Liberty dollar in your picture is the type introduced in 1840. So what is the correct dollar coin for 1804? My answer is NONE. There never was an official issue authorized and minted which was dated 1804. The 15 "real" coins which sell for OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS each are technically mint made FORGERIES.
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