You Vs. PCGS--1888 Indian Head Cent / IHC

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DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 1:08 pm Ignoring the variety for the moment, what do you see? I need confirmation that my eyes aren't playing tricks on me. (I did not adjust the color/levels on the photos) Edited by DVCollector 08/21/2011 1:16 pm Report this Post to the Staff

daviscfad Pillar of the Community United States 4541 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 1:25 pm i see corrosion and looks like the obv has been cleaned Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 1:29 pm My gut reaction was a heavy scrubbing--past the original patina. I'll leave this till the evening, then post the grade. Report this Post to the Staff
DavidZerbato Pillar of the Community United States 1081 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 3:29 pm I would grade it VF20, full "liberty" but many marks and wear. I also agree with the cleaning. Report this Post to the Staff
nickelsearcher Moderator United States 15450 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 4:01 pm Obverse has IMHO seen a significant cleaning based on the colors you are showing. Not at all knowledgeable on the series ... but using my photo-grade references I am going to agree with VF20 - Details. David Edit ... You mentioned PCGS ... so I have to assume they came back with a "Genuine" grade ... can't imagine how they missed what appears from here to be an obverse cleaning. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art Edited by nickelsearcher 08/21/2011 4:03 pm Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 4:20 pm Quote: so I have to assume they came back with a "Genuine" grade Based simply on the pic, I would assume that too--but it gets better, results this evening. Report this Post to the Staff
nickelsearcher Moderator United States 15450 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 5:04 pm Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art Report this Post to the Staff
SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 5:52 pm PCGS, will call it F-15 Report this Post to the Staff
DavidZerbato Pillar of the Community United States 1081 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 6:20 pm Quote: I would assume that too--but it gets better, results this evening. Does it get Snow 1 better? I see what could be the base of the "7" under the last "8" but would need larger pics to get a better idea. Report this Post to the Staff
Las_Vegas_Larry Pillar of the Community United States 817 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 6:56 pm Report this Post to the Staff
daviscfad Pillar of the Community United States 4541 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 7:55 pm maybe a fake slab? Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 8:33 pm So...I went over to Heritage to see if there were examples of the 1888/7 S-1 I hadn't seen before. And, I came across this recent auction. I actually wasn't looking for controversy! Reading the description of the obverse as "chocolate brown" makes me wonder if the photos are off? However, that doesn't explain the surfaces of the obverse. I've scrutinized a lot of IHCs, but I still don't consider myself anywhere near an expert. But, you know what? I do think PCGS should be experts, and even-handed in their grading--rarity or not. Does it look like there's corrosion? Does it look cleaned? Does the color look wrong? Yes, yes, and yes! So here's the slab. That CAC sticker just....grates on me, I wish I could reach in and peel it off. Edited by DVCollector 08/21/2011 9:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
mdh157 Pillar of the Community United States 952 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 8:54 pm it has the telltale rim Cud by the 'e' in united. PCGS is so unpredictable with their grading it seems. Nice coin though - and you can't beat the variety! which reminds me, i'll have to start looking for these @ coin shows! Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 08/21/2011 11:56 pm Agreed--it's the rarity of this coin; it wouldn't have been slabbed otherwise. Still, I cannot imagine cleaning the crust that must have been on that coin. It's possible they only discovered the overdate after that scrubbing. Report this Post to the Staff
DavidZerbato Pillar of the Community United States 1081 Posts	Posted 08/22/2011 10:39 am Plus I do not agree with that grade at all, VF details, probably, but not VF30. If PCGS and CAC consider this a choice coin, then I need to start sending more stuff in. I do agree that the rarity of this coin is why it is slabbed problem free. Report this Post to the Staff
daviscfad Pillar of the Community United States 4541 Posts	Posted 08/22/2011 4:53 pm just goes to show they slab them like they want and dont buy the holder buy the slab. This coin is certainly corroded and cleaned Report this Post to the Staff
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