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1859 Liberty Seated Dollar

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 Posted 08/22/2011  09:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rohumpy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone, It has been a very long time since I posted here on the coin forum. I have been active over on the stamp forum.

Recently I have had the means to get a couple of coins I have always wanted. One of these is an 1859 Liberty Seated dollar. It just arrived and I am I suppose overly suspicious.

Here is the problem. When you flip the coin from top to bottom, the other side is upside down. In other words it is in medal alignment and not coin alignment.

My question is should I be overly concerned. How common is it for a liberty Seated dollar to exhibit this property.

Thank you very much for any comments. I will be so appreciative. I anticipate becoming a little more active here in the coin forum.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be very, very leery of a Seated dollar in medal orientation. To the best of my knowledge, none are known in the entire Seated dollar mintage, and it's a rather easy error to see.

Strongly suspect the coin is not genuine.

http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/...5,Issue9.pdf

Start at Page 9.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SuperDave. I have contacted the seller and informed him of the likelihood of the coin being a fake. Will see his response. His ebay site says no refunds. But surely this can't be true if the coin is a fake.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is fake you can file a "significantly not as described" claim against him and you will be reimbursed even if the seller has a no return policy.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  05:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Luckily the seller has agreed to a refund. Will have to wait and see if it comes through.

I knew something was wrong the minute I saw the "coin". When I saw the medal alignment, the alarm bells were clanging loudly. Also, there was just an "off" appearance to the obverse. The area of the shield just did not seem right.

Again, thanks for the replies. I have been plowing through several of the threads here and was hooked on the 7070 display of types.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Should have posted a photo of that coin. Might have helped in determining it's authenticity.
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 Posted 09/02/2011  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just wanted to follow up and say that I received a full refund, even though the original listing said no refunds.

Now I have a question for the forum---Just how should I leave feedback, or should I leave no feedback at all. If I tell the full truth in feedback, it will be bad for the seller. There is a small chance that the seller did not know the coin was fake. (I don't necessarily believe this) So what should I do?
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 Posted 09/02/2011  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would leave Positive feedback. It's a tough proposition to prove there was deliberate deception; heck, if the seller goes through a lot of coins, it might just have escaped him in the volume of business even if he were capable of detecting the fake.

But when it came to crunch time, the seller did the right thing by you. For that reason, I consider it a positive transaction.
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 Posted 09/02/2011  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w1a9c8k5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree positive feedback is warranted in my opinion. Looks like the seller had your happiness in mind not his own.
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 Posted 09/02/2011  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Positive. Seller listened to you and went through with the refund.
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 Posted 09/02/2011  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably positive, but look through his feedback first. If you see a number of claims of fake coins then this guy may do it knowingly and just banks on only a small number of people noticing, but when they do he gives a refund so that ebay doesn't get involved.
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 Posted 09/02/2011  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would leave positive feedback, but in the text field, I would state "Coin likely not authentic, full refund received." So in other words, like mom and dad taught me, simply tell the truth. Really, how can anybody argue that?

I've lost patience with soft pedaled seller feedback, especially the comments. The above feedback would be beneficial to me as a prospective buyer from this seller for any item. It most certainly would help potential buyers if the coin is listed again. And if this was by chance a pattern, wouldn't you have liked to have similar comments available as part of your decision making process?

Hope you find that elusive 1859 Seated Lib Dollar someday!
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 Posted 09/03/2011  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vanbroj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would give positive feedback as well, the seller did right by you in giving a refund.
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 Posted 09/03/2011  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like this one is amicably settled. I'd have weighed the "coin" as it's likely underweight.
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