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Chicago Newp - 4 1796 Draped Bust, Sheldon 110

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 Posted 08/30/2011  01:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Thank you all for your help in the grading forum. As promised, here's a pick-up that I know a little more about.

I've been wanting a 1796 that's nice on the eyes but didn't eat my entire budget. Well, I found this little one on Tom Reynold's table.

It's a 110, so the most common variety. And I'll tell you right now it doesn't look nearly this nice in hand. There's a fine graininess to the corrosion that is actually very distracting in normal light.

I'm still very happy with this, and boy does she look pretty in pictures.

Chicago-Newp---4-1796-Draped-Bust,-Sheldon-110

Chicago-Newp---4-1796-Draped-Bust,-Sheldon-110

For the serious copper people here, this is an early die state obverse (the earliest I've seen) and and early-to-middle die state reverse. It's a really interesting combination.

The color is not the best, but she will do for now.

And really thank you all again for your support on this wonderful forum.
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 Posted 08/30/2011  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice example,congrats.
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Nice coin! Congrats!
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Nice coin and as a rule 96 draped busts don't come nice (and to a large extent don't come at all.) Looks to be a late state III, but I don't see the cracks needed for State IV.
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Thank you John1 and Rayman311. (:

Thank you for the information Conder101. I assume you're referring to the reverse, correct?
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 Posted 08/31/2011  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No the obverse. According to Breen State III has the obverse cracked through the tops of RT gradually extending through the tops of the adjacent letters. State IV has the crack through the tops of all the letters of LIBERTY and extending out into the left field. It also has a crack from the lower curl through the bottoms of the date.

On your coin I don't see the curl from the curl through the date and the crack through LIBERTY only extends through IBERTY. It does not appear to reach the L nd definitely isn't out into the field. So I called it late State III. There is a problem though since it clearly has the crack from the rim down through the T to the forelock. This is first listed in State V, but I don't see the branching crack through the field in front of the forehead and face.

On the reverse the lump below the E is slightly larger than the picture Breen shows for State IV but smaller than State VIII. In size it seems to match State VI.

After looking over the reverse more carefully my guess is that the crack through the curl and date and through the L and into the left field are probably faint enough that I am missing them. If they are there then we could move the Obv to State V which would make it a pretty good match with the reverse.

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 Posted 08/31/2011  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh I understand. Thank you for the assessment Conder101.

Here's the same photograph, but enlarged and with color enhanced. Perhaps this helps. I see a crack forming at the bottom left of L, is that consistent with your findings?

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You mentioned the date also. Here we are.

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The state IV crack should be through the top of the L and out into the field, and the date crack should come off that round curl to the base of the 1 and then through the bottom of the 179. I'm just not seeing them.
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I don't either, not even in hand. Thanks for your investigations, Conder101.
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