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New Member
United Kingdom
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I'm new to this, could you just advise me if it is possible to use an ultrasonic cleaner with only water, then rub with soft cloth? Or would this damage the coin? Edited by bungleina 08/31/2011 3:17 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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well unless the coin was suspended in the water, (like a side touching bracket) the vibrations caused would make the coin vibrate back and forth on its face. This would cause very sever damage to the surface of the coin.
But if you could somehow Suspend the coin... it might be possible.
Practice with a coin(s) you care nothing about.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Oh, and I wouldn't rub it dry, I would pat it gently dry with a fresh microfiber cloth then allow about 30 minutes to air dry the rest of the way. Perhaps in a container with a desiccant.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Never rub a coin with anything. And cleaning is almost always a bad idea in the first place.
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Thanks for that. Do you think if it were suspended in the water held in a plastic basket therefore not rubbing against anything would that be ok? I am only trying to do this so I can see what the coin is (very black at moment)
Edited by bungleina 08/31/2011 3:34 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well even in a basket, it would still be touching the face of the coin. What you want is for the coin to nob touching anything, except on the edge.
Perhaps try soaking it in acetone (warning, dangerous stuff) and see if that helps, before moving on to more extreme methods.
But as CaptainWiffo said above, Cleaning is almost always a bad idea.
Perhaps if you post pictures we could identify what would (if any) need to be done to properly restore the coin, or advise against it.
If the coin is invaluable then there probably isn't any worry.
I am intrigued though. What kind of coin is it?
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Moderator
 Australia
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Ultrasonic cleaners need some kind of detergent or surfactant in the liquid to work properly - just putting water in there will make little discernible difference to soaking the coin in water in an ordinary container.
Using ultrasonics to clean coins has two major drawbacks: uncertainty over the exact nature of the detergent (with the possibility the detergent could harm or discolour the coins) and the impossibility of suspending a coin in the solution without having the coin touch anything - not other coins, not the sides of the cleaner, not a plastic tray or string or anything else that could be used. One of those super-powerful electromagnets that can levitate things might in theory do the trick, though I don't think the ultrasonic cleaner mechanism would still work with such a powerful electromagnetic field nearby.
The problem is that anything placed in an ultrasonic cleaner vibrates back and forth very rapidly. If it is touching anything, the vibration creates a friction spot, causing wear at that spot.
Ultrasonics have their place - I imagine they'd be very good at helping clean up coins dug up out of the ground. But for ordinary coins that have simply discoloured, I wouldn't recommend them.
If you want to see what your very dark-coloured coin actually is, try scanning it or taking a picture, then brightening the image with photoshop or some similar program.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
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It's really easy to etch the pattern of the basket grid right in the coin with ultrasonic cleaning.
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New Member
 United Kingdom
13 Posts |
I did try it as coin was pitted, only an 1856 5 centime but after all the advise wont do anything with any others. Great site anyway I will certainly be digging out the other coins/medals that I cant identify. Thanks everyone.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 All forgot to say  As to your question. What Sap said and one more really important thing. The water. Water is different all over the World. Your tap water may well contain Chlorine or Flourine. Household water supplies are sometimes run through a water softener. This adds NaCl to the already possibly full of germ killing gasses. Well water can contain almost anything ever put on Earth. Same with so called Spring water. What I'm trying to say is the type of water you try in a ultrasonic cleaner could, may, might completely ruin a coin. You should to the Search tab at the top and try coin cleaning, cleaning coins, Acetone, Sonic cleaners, etc.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I have an ultrasonic cleaner I bought for cleaning carburettor parts. I have experimented with grimy, circulated coins and it does shift the dirt. I have tried different detergents and found many are brightly coloured and can leave stains on the coins so, one step forward and one step back! The stains usually come off with acetone. I use water from my rain water tank which is very soft (minimal dissolved salts compared with our local town supply). I have looked at surfactants available on the market -common at rural supply store for adding to herbicide sprays. But, so many different chemicals and claims, I steered clear. And, many are sold in 20 litre drums when I would only want a few drops.
I was concerned with coins rubbing container, or each other, so made up separators from thin polycarbonate sheet with multiple holes drilled to allow free flow of water. Haven't noticed any signs of buffing or rub marks but I have not tried uncirculated coins which don't need any such treatment anyway. I have quite a few common coins in UNC -maybe I should try a few?
My conclusion is that this does clean grimy coins but, not really more effective than an overnight soak and toothpick treatment. I have also tried with a water/acetone solution (acetone is relatively expensive and evaporates quickly) and that does get rid of some greasy type deposits. But, a swap with acetone on a cotton bud does that too (toothpick for stubborn deposits).
I have read that some dealers clean ultrasonically. Anyone know anything about their practices?
My suggestion is feel free to experimant if you have access to an ultrasonic cleaner but don't expect any miracles. And, be it on your own head if you try it with valuable coins and downgrade them! Of course, if you come up with outstanding results post details here. I would not suggest purchasing a cleaner just to try for coins.
Jeff PS. Ultrasonic cleaners do work well with jewellery, especially with ornate patterning. But, check carefully before disposing of the water -I had to recover a diamond from the S bend of the sink. It shook out of a workmate's engagement ring. She was not happy but the jeweller who reset it did confirm my theory that the mount was already loose and it could have fallen out any time (lucky for me).
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm not sure of the coin's value to you but my kids use an old method to clean their non-collectible coins. Put the coin in a bowl of white vinegar. Place the bowl into a pot of water. Put the pot into the stove and boil the water for a good 20-30 minutes. As the vinegar warms up it removes crud from the coin.
Since it's essentially an acid bath so I wouldn't risk it on any valuable coin though.
Edited by FinanceGuru 09/28/2012 09:22 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: I'm not sure of the coin's value to you but my kids use an old method to clean their non-collectible coins. Put the coin in a bowl of white vinegar. Place the bowl into a pot of water. Put the pot into the stove and boil the water for a good 20-30 minutes. As the vinegar warms up it removes crud from the coin.
And also try some battery acid, a wire wheel on a bench grinder and some Butane torches too work.   Yes kids will be kids. However, once more, remember that as I pointed out, some waters are worse than others. In fact the biggest problem people have with house plants is using tap water for them. Tap water contains so much STUFF that just shouldn't be used for plants of coins. Vinegar too is man made product. And all man made products can and do differ from one batch to another and one manufacturer to another. Any time someone suggests using a man made product on coins, always remember the same STUFF they say may not be the same one you can buy. You have to be real carefull of experts on the internet. And too, remember that if what someone says doesn't work, TO BAD. It's your coin, not theirs, so who looses?
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