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Last year, http://moneyfactory.com didn't print $10 bills.

More significantly, for the first time in history, they printed more $100 than $1.

Hundreds. You know, that denomination that nobody wants, because they get looked at like they just got off a spaceship even when they want to use it to pay for $85 in gas? The notes tellers scribble all over with pens that will prove that your newspaper is genuine currency? Yeah, them.

Ones. Used for everything from tips to payment for a cup of kaughy to filling a vending machine or jukebox.

Here's another way of looking at this, one I haven't seem mentioned before:

For every workhorse dollar bill they made, they made over $100 worth of $100 bills that supposedly nobody but drug dealers use.

Wonder why?
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Those hundreds aren't being printed for use in this country.
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Exactly, they're being printed for Columbia, Mexico and Afghanistan, for the drug trade.
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Exactly, they're being printed for Columbia, Mexico and Afghanistan, for the drug trade.




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Those hundreds aren't being printed for use in this country.



While I take issue with your statements, I use 100s and 50s all the time, I agree that the 100 bill is the most abused and sought after currency for use by drug traders. I once read an article that every circulated $100 bill bears minute traces of some illegal drug.

I personally would not like to see the 100 and 50 go away. As a matter of fact, when inflation rears its ugly head again, we'll need larger bills to purchase many other items besides gas.

Several countries have limited denomination size as a way of controlling the currency and promoting the use of plastic. I see this happening in the US if we don't use the denominations provided. I'd much rather carry a few 100s over a few hundred one dollar bills.

Just my humble opinion though.
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Bring back the $500 and $1000!
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A few interesting articles:


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While low-denomination bills were printed in fewer numbers last year, the $100 is wildly popular. Over the last several years, the number of printed $100 bills has spiked, from about half a billion printed in 2004 to almost 2 billion last year, primarily because it's so popular for investors to hold overseas.



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Despite financial innovations that have created important new substitutes for cash usage, per capita holdings of U.S. currency amount to $2950. Yet American households and businesses admit to holding only 15 percent of the currency stock, leaving the whereabouts of 85 percent unknown. Some fraction of this unaccounted for currency is held abroad (the dollarization hypothesis) and some is held domestically undeclared, as a store of value and a medium of exchange for transactions involving the production and distribution of illegal goods and services, and for transactions earning income that is not reported to the IRS (the underground economy hypothesis).


A large cash withdrawal prior to the Iraq invasion, apparently Saddam needed some "spreading around money":


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Saddam Hussein and his family took about $1bn (£620m) in cash from the Iraqi central bank shortly before the start of the coalition invasion, the US state department confirmed tonight.

The New York Times first reported the withdrawal saying Saddam's son Qusay and one of the toppled Iraqi president's personal assistants, Abid al-Hamid Mahmood, carried a letter from Saddam authorising the huge cash removal. They reportedly took $900m in American bills and $100 million worth of euros in three tractor trailers.


From an article a few years old:


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The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.

The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

In the year after the invasion of Iraq in 2003 nearly 281 million notes, weighing 363 tonnes, were sent from New York to Baghdad for disbursement to Iraqi ministries and US contractors. Using C-130 planes, the deliveries took place once or twice a month with the biggest of $2,401,600,000 on June 22 2004, six days before the handover.

Details of the shipments have emerged in a memorandum prepared for the meeting of the House committee on oversight and government reform which is examining Iraqi reconstruction. Its chairman, Henry Waxman, a fierce critic of the war, said the way the cash had been handled was mind-boggling. "The numbers are so large that it doesn't seem possible that they're true. Who in their right mind would send 363 tonnes of cash into a war zone?"


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A few nations besides the United States use the U.S. dollar as their official currency. Ecuador, El Salvador and East Timor all adopted the currency independently; former members of the US-administered Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (namely Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands) decided that, despite their independence, they wanted to keep the U.S. dollar as their official currency. Additionally, local currencies of several states such as Bermuda, the Bahamas, Panama and a few other states can be freely exchanged at a 1:1 ratio for the U.S. dollar. Finally, a number of nations have tied their currencies to the U.S. dollar - including Argentina (1:1 fixed exchange rate from 1991 until 2002), Lebanon (one dollar = 1500 Lebanese pound), Hong Kong (one U.S. dollar = HK$ 7.8 since 1983), and several more.


But the truth for us is usually a sign in the window of your local business that says "we do not accept bills larger that $20". Why is that? Well one reason is that a small business may not be able to make change for a hundred, but more importantly it is because they can't afford to take a counterfeit $100 note. I know there have been times where I only have a couple of hundreds in my wallet and may as well not have any money because I can't spend them anywhere.
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The Russian mafia also likes $100s. I agree with the need for a larger denomination or two. How about a $200 or $250 bill for something different?
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I agree with the need for a larger denomination or two. How about a $200 or $250 bill for something different?


To what end? We already have little legal use for the hundred. A two hundred dollar note would be similar to the two dollar note... a useless curiosity for collectors.
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there have been times where I only have a couple of hundreds in my wallet and may as well not have any money because I can't spend them anywhere.
This was the premise of Mark Twain's short story, The 1000-Pound Note: These guys give a homeless fellow a British 1,000-Pound bill. No stores can give him change, but they give him whatever he wants on credit -- he must be good for it... he's carrying a 1000-pound note.
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But the truth for us is usually a sign in the window of your local business that says "we do not accept bills larger that $20". Why is that? Well one reason is that a small business may not be able to make change for a hundred, but more importantly it is because they can't afford to take a counterfeit $100 note. I know there have been times where I only have a couple of hundreds in my wallet and may as well not have any money because I can't spend them anywhere.

The real problem is our society has made everything so dumb downed. It takes 50 people to run a McDonald's because each little cog only knows how to do their one tiny portion of the work. "Run the register? Haven't a clue, I'm only trained to add the second patty to the McDubl."

In yurrup, any cashier could convert one country's currency to another's in their head, and hand you back change without thinking. Here, hand one $20.02 for a $19.77 purchase, and if they already rang it up, they go blank.

Or how about "Is that (JFK) one of those new silver dollars?"

When they ask what a Brass Buck is, I just tell them it's a $5 gold piece.
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After doing some thinking on this subject I believe it would be a good idea to have some larger denomination notes, but nothing as puny as a $200 note. No, I propose we bring back the $100,000 or perhaps even larger, say a million, heck, why not a billion? Think about it. We could pay off our national debt with only a pallet of notes instead of needing the entire fleet of Chinese transport ships to do so.

It would be a win-win for everyone. The money we save from NOT printing all those $1 would be astonishing, the drug dealers can buy smaller hideouts since they wont need as much storage space. Even Saddam could have fit his graft returns into his wallet.

I propose we follow Zimbabwe:
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