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I may be wrong but I think its a barbarous, and a very nice barbarous copy of the common "Two victories holding shield/wreath" Roman coin produced by a number of later Emperors.

I'll have a look about and see what I can find. Interestingly yours seems to have an 'X' in the mintmark but I cant think of any official mint marking these with an 'X'.
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I agree its a barbarous imitation of a late third or fourth century Roman coin and I lean towards Constantine I, but that is complete guess work as I can see nothing to attribute. It just reminds me of a Constantine I I have in my collection.

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If we accept that whoever made it had a real coin to copy from then Constantine I seems very likely. Left facing helmeted busts were only made for Constantine I/II and Crispus, the overwhelming majority of these were Constantine Is.

The mintmark is anyones guess! Maybe a blundered Arlate mark? We need to remember though that these were not all copies made to deceive and could have been produced to counter coin shortages both while the Romans were in power and even as some think for centuries after they left an area.

Perhaps their 'style' and blundered marks were deliberate so as to differentiate them from the original Roman coins.
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Absolutely agree with BobbyHelmet. The barbarous imitations can be as collectible as the coins they imitate. They have their own niche of collectors. I said Constantine I because I have the one that is fairly close, but Crispus was my first guess. I just thought I was going out on a limb. To be sure, it is probably one of the three BobbyHelmet suggests.

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JW's coin is clearly Constantine I from Trier (second officina STR mintmark). The problem with a copy so far beyond realistic as the OP coin is that there is no way of knowing the intent. On barbarous copies being left facing is not terribly notable either since that is what you would get when cutting a die if you forgot to reverse everything right to left as required by all die cutting operations. It is not unusual to see. these with lots of I, O and X in the legends. For a reason I can't explain, there seem to be more than the usual barbarous copies from Trier originals. The obvious guess is that the copies were made near there or perhaps north of there where there were no Roman mints but people liked the idea of a cash economy.

I believe it is wrong to call these counterfeits since the intent was to support trade rather than to deceive people into thinking the coins were really Roman. I very much agree with bobbyhelmet's statement that they could have been made years later.

Most of all, I believe we are worrying too much trying to assign such a coin to any particular emperor. Even if the cutter could tell one Roman from another there is no reason that he would care. I consider these very collectible and probably better cataloged as Gallic or German inspired by a Roman prototype than as a copy of any specific Roman coin.
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Doug, are you this Doug Smith?

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Haven't been on much in the last few days, a bit under the weather. So I'm just catching up now. Interesting Barbaric coin. Welcome to the commumity Doug.
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thank you all. try to find similar so I knew exactly what it does.
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