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1852 Silver 3 Cents With Color.

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 Posted 09/19/2011  10:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kmncd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
I'm not really collecting the U.S. material,I'm into the worldwide scene,but I do have few U.S. coins,here is my the most colorful U.S. example.The question is purely on wanting to get a personal opinion from the person who is into the U.S. more than I do.So would this be fare to grade as the mint state?Or the hairlines are the problem?


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 Posted 09/19/2011  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF

I am putting together a nice example of each of the three types of three centers, also known as trimes.

I'm no expert but the obv shield and star lines look a little worn to me, not unc. maybe an AU. The scratches also tell me its circulated. I'm not sure if that is AT or NT.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My impression is that its AU with some amazing toning which covers the old scratches and light wear in the fields. One of those coins I wish I had in hand to see better but thats my opinion on it.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU dipped and retoned, possibly in a Wayte Raymond album. Definitely a coin that must be seen in person to watch the light play off the colors
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Thank you Southsav for the greeting and the guys for your opinions.I actually had an itch for being it cleaned but never saw such a great "after clean tone".Guess it's always a first time :)))
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No problem km, I have a nice example of the first type, still looking for that right type 2 and type 3.

Hey Bio - just out of curiosity, whats make you say a Raymond album? Were they known for this or what?
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Yes, the old Wayte Raymond albums are renowned for their toning abilities, particularly rainbow target toning. Apparently, the cardboard used to make those albums had a fairly high sulfur content which occasionally resulted in spectacular toning. The albums themselves are getting harder to find and not just any album will do. If an album has had coins stored in it for years or decades, chances are that all of the available free sulfur has been used up and toning will no longer occur or it will be on the light side.
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Interesting piece of info, thanks.
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I guess I will have to make a call to my dealer to ask for sealed Wayte Raymond albums,lol!
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absolutely amazing colors
A trime is most certainly still on my list of coins I want to shell out some money for
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The old Wayte Raymond holders are still sought after because they can produce that kind of toning over time. Buffalo nickels in particular seem to tone nicely. Regardless of whats put in them, the end result are nicely toned coins in a target or bulls-eye pattern. A lot of old paper contained sulfur in it including tissue and coin wrappers. Its attractive to look at and I sure enjoy it.
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09/21/2011 01:11 am
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3 cent pieces (nickels and silvers) are my favorite coins, so glad you have one. I am not the best at grading the silvers but I would put say I think this might be an AU in hand but the wear in the pictures look like XF IMHO. For someone like me, the hairlines would not be a problem and the scratches at 7 o'clock on the reverse are nicely hidden by the toning so they do not bother me. This would be a wonderful piece for someone wanting to get into the series.
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