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Half-Crown 1819 - Counterfeit

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I stumbled over this "broadsheet" from 1823, which contains a detailed description of a coining operation.
It specifically refers to half-crowns bearing date 1819; as well as shillings and sixpences, but no dates for the latter.

"An account of the life, trial, confession, & execution of William Astbury, aged 32, who was executed at Warwick on Friday, April 25th, 1823, for coining." see -
http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/4787497

Armed with this knowledge, I went to a well-known internet auction-site, and found this item:
1819 Counterfeit Half crown. Nice condition remarkable strike
ebay Item number: 270815052442
this auction is now concluded, and I was an unsuccessful bidder.
I must say that the seller reports the weight as a little short, but the pics (not great pics, mind you) look like this is indeed a high quality item.

One of my fascinations in coin collecting is how our little treasures can illustrate our social history.

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 Posted 09/20/2011  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a very interesting bit of history, especially if that counterfeit half-crown was made by that forger.
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 Posted 09/26/2011  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting!
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Could this be one of William Astbury's forgeries?
It weighs 11 gram

Half-Crown-1819---Counterfeit

Half-Crown-1819---Counterfeit
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 Posted 09/29/2011  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
could be:
a common technique was to "mint" a forgery out of base metal, and then silver plate it - I don't know if they understood electrolysis back then, or had some other technique;
alternatively, they would rub the minted item with mercury, which form a surface-amalgam, with a silver-colour.
The fact that this layer quickly wore away did not concern the forger, who only wanted to spend each item once.

I have found another account, from 1827, of two coiners executed. The ringleader had been convicted 15 years earlier of forging Prussian coins, and sentenced to transportation for seven years. But he returned, and re-commenced coining.
The report says that the dies, presses, etc, cost 1,400 pounds to set up: major organized crime, I would have thought. I haven't chased up reports of the details of the items counterfeited.

Technically, back then, Coining was a form of High Treason, and the report describes the process of "drawing" on a sledge (often misunderstood), and the symbolic waving of a sword over their heads. But ultimately, they were hanged.

reference: The Australian (Sydney, NSW: 1824 - 1848), Wednesday 7 November 1827, page 4
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article37074347
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I've had these two representations of Geo III all my life and am still no nearer understanding them.
Half-Crown-1819---Counterfeit
Half-Crown-1819---Counterfeit

1818 on the left, 1817 on the right.

Brass, 10.3gr & 10.8gr 32mm

Any ideas?
Bob
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Bob, I suspect that both of your items had a layer of mercury at one stage, although I confess that I cannot now see a trace of it on either.
I have a couple of forgeries pretty much identical to yours: apparently brass; correct diameter; almost correct weight. I also have a couple of brass shillings.
The different effigies reflect a change in the genuine coinage.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Instead of hanging these blokes they should have put them to work at The Royal Mint.
I think they were skilled craftsmen.
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