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So I found this post here http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...2331780.htmlI just emailed the seller and want to check them out and I asked a price. Were these old silver dollars heavily faked because of their price? Also what are some good tips to tell its authenticity? Weight and what else. Maybe I should look up pictures to compare to. I'd hate to buy a fake. Any help is welcome, thanks! |
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I really doubt it is genuine, suspiciously odd for a $1000+ coin to be included with a lot of common junk silver. Based on the smallish photo, it appears to have a modern collared rim. Genuine Bust Dollars were struck in an open collar with full rim denticles and a lettered edge.
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Thanks for your input biokemist. I was thinking the same thing, that it's thrown in with a bunch of melt value silver. That's why I'm also curious to his price.
Edit: Sorry but what is a modern collared rim and an open collar?
Edited by murrellington
10/04/2011 5:09 pm
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modern collared rim= squarish rim that you will see on any modern coin
open collar= no collar was used, just the obverse and reverse die and this type of coin will have denticles where the rim would normally be
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Beyond those diagnostics, I IMMEDIATELY recognize her profile. She pops up again! I've posted this before in a couple of threads. I put this comparison together with a genuine example and the 1800 someone was asking about. You just can't miss this chicks...uh...prominent proboscis! The real one is on the left... Steve  |
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Wow, those coins have so many differences. Thanks for all the help both of you.
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Whytlash, are you saying you immediately recognize the profile of the craigslist poster or of the lady on the coin. Maybe I just don't know how to do it, but I can't enlarge the craigslist pic and I can't tell anything at all from it...no collar, nothing.
The pics you provided are a clear indication of a real and a fake, but what of the coin in question.
It MAY not be a fake, it could just be a hand me down. My grandmother on my mother's side had some coins. A bunch that were dated no earlier than 1930 and not worth much and an old high grade Austrian silver thaler from the 1700s that got passed down...so you never know.
edit..and before any says anything, no it was not a 1780 restrike
I say weigh it, ask how they got it, look at it closely, compare it to know examples and buy it for a cheap price if your investigation yields no problems
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10/04/2011 9:31 pm
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I suggest that you call the seller and ask him what's on the edge or third surface of the so-called 1803 dollar. Ask him if it's reeded/grooved or plain. If it is possibly genuine, his reply should be that there's lettering. He should be able to read what it says, unless someone's damaged that surface. This approach should help you decide if it's worth taking a closer look.
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That's actually very good advice, and a good approach to asking the question. If he gives the wrong answer you clearly know its fake. Unfortunately, fakes can also have the edge lettering One hundred per dollar unit or what ever it was, but those would be more sophisticated fakes.
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The coin, hesgut. The profile of "Lady Liberty" on this common "replica" of the dollar coin stands out prominently. I could see it without enlarging the CL pic, and then enlarging made it more evident. The hair curls on top of the forehead are not as large and create a "sloping" effect, the nose is larger and in profile the nose and jaw jut out and do not have the flatter profile of the genuine coin. Here is the thread I posted this in a few months ago because her profile was instantly recognizable to me in the posters pictures. I made the graphic from an 1800 that someone asked about in a thread I can't locate now. https://goccf.com/t/94248As that poster indicated, the edge was "ribbed". I'm guessing that this particular style of "replica" will only have, at best, a reeded edge. |
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Obvious fake, on the right.
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Edited by vermontensium
10/05/2011 12:26 am
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Whytlash, I don't doubt a single thing you've said regarding early dollars and fakes. I also don't doubt this this one is likely a fake. Maybe my craigslist settings are different, I don't know, the coin literally has a diameter of 1cm on my computer screen. I can barely identify it as an early US dollar. How can a picture so small (if indeed it is that small for you as well) allow you to conclusively say this is the same style of faked dollars.
edit...in fact, just to add to this, the stars on the obverse of the craigslist coin, as best as I can make them out, look more like the authentic than the fake.
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10/05/2011 01:16 am
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I can't estimate what you see on your monitor, but the CL listing pic is of sufficient size for me to identify the size of the coin relative to the JFK and the profile of Miss Liberty, to me, is unmistakable. Enlarging the pic does not change my opinion. Below is a crude enlargement of the CL pic. I'm not on my comp with a good graphics program, so I had to use Paint (ugh!), but it should be sufficient to identify to items I have indicated. FWIW.  |
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I can't tell from the bad picture like that, but then again I have no knowledge of old silver dollars. And you seem very knowledgeable so i'll take your word for it ;) it would be great to own one though.
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