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 Posted 10/09/2011  10:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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I was trying to get some help with a camera purchase! I'm not looking to spend a lot of money but if someone can please tell me what I would be sacrificing between say a Canon Powershot A570 and a Canon EOS Rebel SX?
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 Posted 10/09/2011  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, you are comparing a nice point and shoot with a nice DSLR...both good cameras but dated. I assume you are getting a deal on them as they are 3-4 years old

The XS has the advantage of interchangeable lenses and color balance adjustment...the A570 portability and image stabilization

If you want to have a setup to image coins then you should look into the DSLR (but maybe a more up to date model).
If you want a good all around camera that fits in your pocket then go with the point and shoot (again update)

I use both and each has it's value....sometimes lighting is perfect and the p & S will do great...most times it's the DSLR on a tripod stand with controlled lighting that wins out...
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 Posted 10/09/2011  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your help.I guess what I'm asking is limitations between a point and shoot and DSLR? The camera will be for posting photos online.Will I have a problem photographing Doubling as an example with a point and shoot?
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 Posted 10/09/2011  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amassey08873 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's some other suggestions,
I've wanted to pick one of these up for a few months now.
Veho Discovery

You can find them cheaper then the attached link. And if you go with a lesser known company, you can find them as cheap as $32. Thought they would be a lot of fun.
As for me I use Olympus SP-800UZ its got a super macro that I love, I've gotten some really nice pics with it.
If your only planing on taking pictures of coins, go with a Stereo Scope w/ a good camera. Make sure the Field of View is large enough. Theirs some really nice ones out their.
http://www.AMSCOPE.com is usually the least expensive. At least it was when I bought mine a year or two ago. I know these were a little off topic. Sorry... You can find some really great info on CCF under Coin Photo. Section if you already haven't been there. Please post your final decision and results. Love to see what people are using. Thanks and Good Luck
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10/09/2011 11:55 am
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 Posted 10/09/2011  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about a stereo scope but I was worried grainy pictures,distortion and price range.I bought one of those usb scopes and was unsatisfied with it.
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I'm getting ready to start selling coins and other items on ebay, so I realized I need a good camera setup (there is a strong correlation between a coin's sale price and the quality of the image in the listing). So I started looking into DSLR's, but really didn't want to spend $500+ for one at this point. So I dug out my Canon Powershot G2 (they are up to the G12 now!). It has all of 4 Megapixels and is basically a glorified point and shoot with manual controls.

I got a screw on macro lens for it and it takes great shots of coins! I'm still a novice at it so lighting and backgrounds are still a work in progress, although building a DIY lightbox has really improved things. However, I have plenty of magnification and it is clear that any limitations come from my lack of knowledge and experience, not the camera.

If you have the money and don't mind spending it for a nice DSLR you can't go wrong. I used a film SLR for years before film went the way of the Dodo. I'll get a DSLR myself eventually. But, if the only reason you are thinking of a higher end camera is that you think you need one to take great coin pictures, think again!
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 Posted 10/09/2011  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.That's what I'm trying to figure out.Can you post a photo?
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I dont use the 2mp camera that goes to my stereo scope. To much of a learning curve, I cant get it to work right. So I take pics through the eye pc, lol
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Since you asked here are a couple shots I've taken recently. Keep in mind what I said in your other thread, I literally just got started trying to photograph coins properly a week ago. So I am still a novice. However, my early results clearly say to me that my current setup will be plenty good for what I'm trying to do, and once I gain more experience I should be able to do some very high quality images.

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 Posted 10/11/2011  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So I am still a novice. However, my early results clearly say to me that my current setup will be plenty good for what I'm trying to do, and once I gain more experience I should be able to do some very high quality images.


I believe you're going to be just fine, Saruma.

Here's the problem, jaycutler. Taking good coin pictures is going to cost you, one way or the other. The less money you invest, the more time you will be investing to get things right, the steeper learning curve you'll need to display, and more importantly the narrower the "sweet spot" of conditions under which you'll get nice images.

The greater the investment in initial camera quality, the easier you'll have it. This isn't linear, though - it's in levels. Under, say, $250 (which buys you a compact point-and-shoot of one type or another), the conditions under which you'll get good images are pretty similar. I've seen people do just as well with a $50 used ebay camera as a brand-new $235, 14MP Nikon. Just do your best to acquire something with as much manual control available as possible.

The "center" level above $300 to $500 tend to be occupied by large superzoom cameras whose lenses involve a whole bunch of compromises because of that zoom. These tend to be actually pretty difficult to use well (a couple of CCFers have proven me wrong there ) without the addition of a screw-on Macro lens addition such as Saruma describes, involving yet more money. They will, however, have the advantage of a useful full manual control regimen, making them able to duplicate dSLR results albeit under a narrower range of conditions.

At the top, well north of $500, are the dSLR's with dedicated lenses which will absolutely make a capable photographer out of you, as long as you're willing to learn how.

And learning how is the key to all of this, regardless of your equipment. Coin macro photography is among the the most linear and "objective" of all genres of photography - the most "mechanical." Specific inputs achieve specific results, time after time. You don't have to be born with the "touch" of Ansel Adams; you just have to have the ability to learn a linear process, and do it the same way (with minor changes which follow specific patterns) every single time.

There's a whole_lot of information contained in this Photography Forum posted by people who have already walked the same path you wish to. Before you even think about spending money, I strongly urge you to spend an evening reading this forum a few pages deep, to see what those who have come before you have done.

I will say this, though - that Canon A570 you mention will be no slouch for a camera in its' price range. The XS will require a relatively expensive lens to really reach its' potential. The specific thing you're sacrificing is ease of use, plain and simple, but if you can overcome that obstacle the A570 might....just....surprise you.

Of course, I'm an unabashed and unrepentant Canon fanboi. Be mindful of that.
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