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http://www.ebay.com/itm/23066170009....m1439.l2649 This is the coin I bought to fill the hole. Quote:
However there are something like eight different doubled die cents in 1955. Only one is expensive and all of those do match the description of the slot. How much do the other types of doubled die '55's cost? And where can I get them? I only see the super expensive ones on ebay. Quote:
What album are you using? I am using one of the old Whitman bookshelf albums from the '60's. I use them instead of Danscos because they have more eye appeal.
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I will fill the long term empty holes (09 S VDB, 14 D etc...)in my albums with Mint errors--( Cuds etc...), or with a Nice BU Wheat cent flipped with the wheat stalks showing. |
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$15 for a poor man's double? Somebody needs to do their home work... Die Deterioration Doubling on 1955 cents is extremely common - so common that I have rolls and rolls of them, and I don't actively seek them. I could have sold you one for the cost of a stamp. The 'doubling' that you see on that coin is deterioration of the die that struck the coin. Little bits of steel flake out of the die in areas where there is a great difference in relief near and perpendicular to the rim. The void left by the chipping is filled when the die strikes the planchet leaving a 'ghost impression' of the affected area on the coin in a raised fashion. They are extremely common in some years where dies were frequently used well beyond their useful life expectancy for one reason or another. 1953 and 1955 Philadelphia minted cents tend to be the most common of the bunch. At one time I sold 1955 'poor mans' double coins on ebay for a dollar with a three page explanation containing photos and a couple of freebie tips and tricks just to attempt to educate the masses - to no avail, there are still people spending north of $10 on these coins thinking they have a 'lesser' doubled die. Nothing could be more incorrect. Doubled dies are actually a scarcity that happens during the die making process. The 'hub', or the positive impression that leaves the negative impression on the die (so it in turn makes positive impression on the coins) is set in a special machine for 'hubbing' the dies. Each die is set under the hub using 'keys' to align the die perfectly, and the design would be partially pressed into the die. After the die receives a hubbing it is heated to allow the design to transfer more easily from the hub. It is set in the hubbing press again for another hubbing, aligned with the same keys to ensure the die is exactly in the same position as before. This process continues up to 16 times to completely impress the die with the design on the hub. Where a doubled die happens is when the die is set in the hubbing press and the keys don't do their job - either by having been broken, or having been purposefully filed off. The die is pressed by the hub off-kilter from a previous hubbing, which creates a doubled design on the die. This doubling transfers to every single coin the die creates. So...the process of a doubled die and the Die Deterioration you have are completely different. |
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Let this be a lesson to the wise...ANYONE who reads this post can send me an SASE and I will send them a circulated example of a poor man's double. Use the lesson in this thread to learn that these are NOT worth ANY premium value.
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lol @ albums... make up your own dang collection.
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That's kinda the way I see it, but I didn't touch that subject. I have never used pre-printed albums.
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No worries I will just return it. Thanks for the info coppercoins! So back to my other question....what are the other 'lesser value' doubled dies for 1955? I would very much like to get one if they are not terribly expensive. Quote:
lol @ albums... make up your own dang collection. I like things to be uniform and organized. Albums give me both of these things. I am only looking to build 1 set of as many US coin types as I can, nothing big. My primary focus is in ancient coin collecting. I think I will make up my collection as I see fit and this is how I have chosen to do it.  |
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There are a few different doubled dies for 1955, but none of them show up like the 1955. The lesser dies for the issue are different classes with far different values and levels of visibility. You can check my site for information - go to http://www.coppercoins.com. Click 'die variety search' near the top of the left navigation pane. Enter 1955 in the date on the resulting page, then click 'philadelphia' and submit. The result will answer your question. |
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ANYONE who reads this post can send me an SASE and I will send them a circulated example of a poor man's double. Use the lesson in this thread to learn that these are NOT worth ANY premium value. A gentleman and a scholar!  |
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Half of my collection can be described as poor mans. Just kidding I get the new shield cents to fill the holes of 22 plain and 1909VDB S works good Retired USAF 1983-2003
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12/17/2011 09:51 am
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Coinstar - I don't know as a filler until a real 1909-S VDB comes along, that is IMO part of a complete Lincoln collection by date/mint mark. But that's a good idea but sometimes it was seeing the empty holes that kept me searching. I had an old album both times I completed my Lincoln Cent collections VG-VF then again in XF minimum. I had the Harco Coinmaster (back in the early 1980's) first album was made with PVC and the company changed out the slide rows for non PVC then eventually remade the album completely PVC free, the new one was really stiff and soon the coins began to scuff and crack the plastic they used. The date-mm could be typed on a strip of paper and slid into a small slot below each row, making it easy to change out something you didn't want. I added a couple of pages as new stuff came out and had a page for errors, blank planchets, off center, double struck examples. Now days I don't use albums other than 2x2 pages in a binder or a 2x2 box. Gotta to admit though, a full set of anything looks pretty sexy when presented in an album. Got to see a collectors album at a coin show that was almost done of Barber quarters in XF minimum, beautiful. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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@coppercoins Great gesture to/for the CCW family  My first thoughts on this were also... What...15.00? I used to pick these up in change fairly readily years ago. I know I have a bunch of them... somewhere! @ancientcoinguy Hey - its your collection! Do whatever you like with it. The only real opinion that matters in this situation is yours. An important thing to remember in any hobby is to collect what YOU like. I bought some of the replicas off of ebay a couple years ago. And these are in the display while the originals are safely in another location. I admit I had a double intention though as I was getting the replicas also to educate myself in identifying fakes. And if anyone would ever break in and rob me, they would not be getting anything not easily replaced. I'd also love to see their faces when they would go to sell and find it was all for nothing.  How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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Coppercoins:
Thank you for your service I am a young USAF vet.The one thing I've noticed is many people don't understand what service and sacrifice means, and definatley not appreciated enough
. I really enjoy your knowledgeable posts, I get a lot from reading them. You must get bothered a lot because of your website and book, I want to pick your brain but I'm sure you've been dragged through the ringer a lot ! Lol
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01/06/2012 3:09 pm
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And Chuck is right as to how common those poor man's double dies are for the 1955. I too have about a half roll of them in various grades and all from change. Of course that was several years ago so by now most anything that old has been picked out. I've seen some really nice 1955 Poor Man's Double Dies at coin shows too and for a lot, lot less than $15.
Unfortunately I'm a Whitman Album person and all mine have slots for all those silly coins like the 22 plain, 55 Double Die, 72 Double Die, all the 60's, 70's, 82's, etc. Next Whitman will add the 83 Rev Double Die and the 84 Double Ear. Just one more reason everyone is going with Dansco.
And Coppercoins: I just went to your web site and appears you've made a lot of improvements. Nice going.
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01/06/2012 5:28 pm
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I came across a lot of 55 poor mans when roll searching as a young lad. I only singled out the ones with a severe cracked skull as error keepers.
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