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The Economy And Collecting

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 Posted 12/20/2011  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
If the economy takes a dive it will mean that some collectors won't be able to afford to keep their collections and sell them Sad for the people affected but a great buying opportunity for other collectors not affected
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United States
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 Posted 12/25/2011  06:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I read somewhere given the prices of precious metals, the common date stuff will end up being the rarer coins due to them being melted and lost forever.

Nonsense, for several reasons
  • If 99.9% of the 1944 LWC were melted, there would still be 1,435,400, triple the number of svdbs
  • Long before that would happen, people would notice a scarcity of 1944 LWC and save them
  • The ones that are left would be high grade, since the worst condition would be melted first
  • There are both collectors and folks like you who would be saving them, for exactly the reasdon you're citing. Witness how many SC were saved in 1968 by folks figuring everyone else was sending theirs in--they're still worth little premium.
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 Posted 12/25/2011  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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im only 13, but I buy what I can afford or if it's at silver price.

That's when I started dealing. Seems I could get the new Kennedy halves and others at school couldn't.
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 Posted 12/25/2011  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list
My problem or should I say dilemma, is not so much the economy as much as the lack of nice material that is available. Understandably so, most high end dealers and collectors are holding on to their quality coins till there is an upturn in the economy.
Fortunately for me I'm 90% finished my Collection and just hunting for a few dozen upgrades which will come in time, patience is a virtue!

Glenn
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United States
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 Posted 12/25/2011  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Anyone who thinks they're getting first crack at nice coins is prolly kidding themselves. Notice early in the year who has the ms70 coins for sale, and they either own or have close connections to the TPG.

Even major shows have days open only to certain dealers before the public days, or special pre-public hours that may carry $100+ charges just to get in.

You get to look at the leftovers or repriced-much-higher stuff, or coins that have been handed from dealer to dealer.

Even on slobbed coins, there's a distinct difference between stuff that was put away in the 60s to 80s and coins that have traded repeatedly over the years. In the 70s, I saw some Walkers that Amish folks buried in lead pipes since they were made. It seemed every coin was a blazing white knockout.
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 Posted 12/25/2011  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I would only adjust your outlook a wee bit....ALWAYS BUY, sell high

A local dealer always said you have to buy almost everything, because you never know what will become popular.

Buying and selling also follows contrarian logic. When are prices high? When lots of people are buying (so you should be selling). When are they low? When people are dumping (and you should be stocking up).
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 Posted 12/25/2011  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
Finding problem free, quality, collectible quality in any series is hard to do.

Completely agree, when people are selling, collectors should be buying. Hard to do.
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Spain
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 Posted 12/26/2011  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvermaniac to your friends list
I began collecting coins when the economy began to go down (specially gold and silver coins); bullion at first, but then got hooked into numismatics to the point that I don't buy bullion anymore.

I think this happened to many people; they began with bullion thanks to the economic downturn, and then continued collecting numismatic coins.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
For me coin collecting is a hobby that I spend a very small percentage of my
income on. I stick with circulated stuff and am not a fan of slabbed coins.
I feel like I have a lot of nice coins but truly I do not, I have few coins worth
more than $100 individually for instance. So the economy and coins is not an issue,
putting my two kids through college is the issue. :)
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 Posted 01/03/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gmwatson to your friends list
biggfred,

Nobody is talking about LWC, I'm talking about silver coins and the article I had read had to do with soaring silver prices and common date silver coinage being lost to smelting due to the bullion value for these coins exceeding their collectable value.

I assure you, when silver was pushing $50, and it could reach or exceed that again, ... dealers were dumping the common date stuff in plastic tubs and they were destined for the smelter. These are the coins which some day may be hard to come by if the silver market and bullion prices go higher.

I don't think all these gold & silver shops which seem to be everywhere now are buying up old coins to start new coin shops anytime soon nor are the dealers buying the common date stuff to fill their cases.

For what it's worth ... the day copper cents are discontinued and the government allows its citizens to melt them ... the old common date LWC will suffer the same albeit to a much smaller degree since the spread is much smaller. Just my opinion.

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 Posted 01/03/2012  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
I think that if the depression continues on the way it has, then collectors will be dumping their lower grades to new collectors to take their place.
I think I'm going to "lose" or give away more coins to non-collectors so that this hobby can survive a tough time. Imagine bargain bins being the best thing ever!
Then I can move on up and re-focus my collection onto higher grades.
Maybe a year ago I was collecting XF or better semi-keys, but lately I've been almost 99% pocket change picking - mostly just preserving new issues for the future.
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 Posted 01/03/2012  12:50 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I don't have very many expenses and have counted my blessings when it comes to my employment (12 years now).
In a nut shell, no, the economy has not affected my collecting.
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 Posted 01/03/2012  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Coin and note investment is counter cyclical to many forms of other investment.

The only problem I have with that, is that I buy, and do not sell, because I am a coin collector, not a coin investor. I sell very few coins, In fact, there has been only two major occasions in my life where I have sold.
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 Posted 01/03/2012  05:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
gm-

It was just an example. The same could be said about nickels, where they made as many in 1964 as a couple decades earlier combined, or silver coins.

The gubmint melted hundreds of millions of Morgans, and there are still plenty of commons available.
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 Posted 01/03/2012  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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think I'm going to "lose" or give away more coins to non-collectors so that this hobby can survive a tough time


They made billions of several dates of LWC. They never will be worth big money, and if you have nice ones in your sets, why do you need 50 more of the same date?

If you spend 50 common LWC a week, that's 2500 people who may get nudged towards being coin collectors. That's a pretty small and fun way to invest in the future of the hobby.
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