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 Posted 01/19/2012  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Because the ASE apparently is four times as popular as the one with the doubie grass on it.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list

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Because the ASE apparently is four times as popular as the one with the doubie grass on it.


Which means a Silver Eagle is less likely to hold value because the market is flooded with the things. The US Mint has made more Silver Eagles in the past 2 years than the total production for Silver Maples. What happens when all those people that bought Silver Eagles in the past 2 years decide to dump them if financial Armageddon doesn't materialize? Is there really long term demand for 30 Million Silver Eagles per year?
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 Posted 01/19/2012  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Agree to disagree.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
JSH when my boss was quizzing me about the purest gold coin I said Buffalo of course, but mentioned Canada gold eagles as being 24k, and he was like yeah but we just don't get those here in the south, lol....

We have 40 silver eagles 2012 from the clearing house on the way. It does not matter how many they are, there real popular. He knows if they don't sell out of the case to the public, they will too me, lol....

The Saint Gauden gold coin is the purest of them all, over 24k....

Seems like 24k converts to .957 pure, and the fore mentioned are like .965 perhaps....

They all sell, heck those ugly Christmas bars with Santa toned out sell, anything that is silver sells close to spot on ebay, as silver is simply silver, right at spot value. I don't care if it is an ASE, a cougar, grizzly, panda, or maple leaf, any of the fore mentioned is a fine investment plan IMO....
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 Posted 01/20/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Seems like 24k converts to .957 pure, and the fore mentioned are like .965 perhaps....

you talking about, grasshopper?
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 Posted 01/20/2012  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
The St. Gaudens is .9675 and only 90%

And the Buffalo is 24k .9999

That part of the paperwork info is incorrect or more likely I am simply misremembering it lol like I did that 7, to quote another. I will have to check that out tom....
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 Posted 01/20/2012  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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The St. Gaudens is .9675 and only 90%

Old twenties were 2000/2067* of an ounce of gold content, in the form of .900 gold. So, if you divide that out, you get 0.9675 oz of gold in a coin weighing 1.075 oz.

Multiply that by 31.103g/oz and you get 33.439g, vs an official spec of 33.431g

*gold was $20.67 at the time, so $20 worth was that fraction of an ounce.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
It's nice to read about when money was money! It was so easy back then
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 Posted 01/20/2012  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list

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We have 40 silver eagles 2012 from the clearing house on the way. It does not matter how many they are, there real popular. He knows if they don't sell out of the case to the public, they will too me, lol....

They all sell, heck those ugly Christmas bars with Santa toned out sell, anything that is silver sells close to spot on ebay, as silver is simply silver, right at spot value. I don't care if it is an ASE, a cougar, grizzly, panda, or maple leaf, any of the fore mentioned is a fine investment plan IMO....


Yes everything sells for spot or above right now. Heck, even 35% War Nickels are selling for spot. Of course spot is twice what it was 5 years ago and silver is in very high demand. What happens if silver drops in price and the pendulum swings from buy to sell? Will everything still sell for spot or will some items command a premium and others sell at a discount compared to spot? I personally think it is prudent to look at the potential down side of an investment and take what steps I can to mitigate losses if that investment goes bad.

How long has your store owner been in the gold and silver business? I'm curious what the prices relative to spot were back in 2005 when silver was $15 per oz and there wasn't a buying frenzy.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
Well my local shop sells junk and most other silver for spot plus 3 percent. Last I saw the Eagles were spOt plus $1.50. In Nov 2010 it was spot plus 5 percent and eagles were plus $1. Can't help with 5 years ago since that was when I first bought. In business over 20 yrs. FYI gold was spot plus $100 last time I asked. Have never purchased so I don't keep up on that.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
Forgot so say they use .715 for silver calculation on junk
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 Posted 01/20/2012  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
"How long has your store owner been in the gold and silver business? I'm curious what the prices relative to spot were back in 2005 when silver was $15 per oz and there wasn't a buying frenzy."

The store I work at is only 13 months old, and all the many other stores are not much older, maybe a year more mox, so that is a valid point....

If th economy recovers and things go back to the way it was in early 2000 with bottom basememt prices for both gold an silver, it would probably put us out of business....

Your point is welll taken JSH, as that is why I like PAMP silver bars for example, as they still command double spot, so they would still have value even if silver dropped back to ten bucks per oz....

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 Posted 01/20/2012  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I personally think it is prudent to look at the potential down side of an investment and take what steps I can to mitigate losses if that investment goes bad.

All investors would be well served to consider the up and down sides of any investment. PMs can be pretty volatile, so perhaps this is even more useful with them.

Additionally, they should have an exit strategy in mind. This would be in the form of the prices at which they would be willing to sell their PMs, or at least a share of them, and also at what price they would be willing to buy more.

As to silver prices returning to 2005 levels... sure, that's possible. Is it likely, though? Industry seems to be absorbing a fair amount of silver and at least some US silver mines are declining in output. Not sure if mines in other places are picking up that slack or not.

It will be interesting to see whether or not Eric Sprott has any trouble getting physical delivery of the $350M worth of silver he wants to add to his PSLV physical silver fund. If supplies are tight, this could be a real challenge. From what I have read, it took nearly 4 months for him to receive the $250M worth of physical silver for his last trust funding operation.
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 Posted 01/21/2012  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bekiz to your friends list
looks like Sprotts actions moved market by 5% today ))
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 Posted 01/21/2012  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Well, the price of silver did rise by about 5% today at the close but whether or not all of that rise can be attributed to Sprott or not is a question. It is likely that he did contribute to that by it is hard to say by how much. There are a lot of factors out there in the silver market.
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