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 Posted 04/03/2012  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ljenkins990 to your friends list
Well, under our current system, we have Lincoln on both a coin and a paper note, and we also have George Washington on both a coin and a paper note. Remove Lincoln's coin and Washington's paper note and they both still appear on our circulating money. Problem solved!

As far as the original topic goes, with the sheer massive numbers of LMC's that have been minted over the years I find it very hard to imagine a price rise of any significance if the cent was done away with. There will likely be a steady rise in the price of very high-grade specimens, but that will happen regardless whether the cent is eliminated or not. Plus I imagine the Mint will still make NIFC cents so the collector demand will be satisfied, much like they have done with the Kennedy half.
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 Posted 04/03/2012  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list

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Plus I imagine the Mint will still make NIFC cents so the collector demand will be satisfied, much like they have done with the Kennedy half.


I'm not sure if they would do that, since they have to order the blanks from another company and I don't know if they would still do that or not, with such a small quantity.

Imagine going from billions of cent blanks made to just tens of millions or less. Yeah, they could charge a lot more, but I don't know if they will sell them as rolls though. If they were just offered in the BU and Proof sets, it would just be a few million blanks made. And I don't know if demand would increase enough on the sets, especially if their prices took a big jump up in price to include the cents.

Or I guess they could order a billion of them and have them for many years to come.

I say, if they are not going to mint the coins for circulation, then don't mint them for the sets. The whole point of the sets is to show what is being minted for use. Otherwise, why doesn't the Mint include the 2 cent, 3 cent, etc in our sets today then?

I bet that the NIFC half dollar is really driving up the price of the sets now. It is quite expensive to make the hubs, dies, etc for such a small mintage.
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 Posted 04/03/2012  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Remove Lincoln's coin and Washington's paper note and they both still appear on our circulating money. Problem solved!
Exactly!

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I'm not sure if they would do that, since they have to order the blanks from another company and I don't know if they would still do that or not, with such a small quantity.
With the NIFC cent, they should go back to the 95% copper. They can do it in house or outsource them (not sure how they did it for the 2009 issues). Point is, it can be done for the smaller quantities and if the mint and proof sets cost more, so be it.
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 Posted 04/03/2012  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list

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Point is, it can be done for the smaller quantities and if the mint and proof sets cost more, so be it.

I hope they decide not to include them, if it is going to drive up the price even more for the sets. They are over priced as it is, for their quality. Too many bag marks on many coins of most sets, especially the BU ones.
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 Posted 04/03/2012  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I suppose we can agree to disagree on this.

However, I will agree with you on one point. If there is no NIFC cent, then there should no longer be an NIFC half dollar.
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 Posted 04/03/2012  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bkprewitt to your friends list
Personally I would prefer that NIFC coins not be included in mint sets and proof versions of NIFC business strike coins not be included in proof sets, and I hope we'd eliminate the NIFC Kennedy half after its 50th anniversary here in a couple of years. It's somewhat ludicrous that the 2012 Mint Sets will include 28 coins with a face value of $15.82 (assuming my hasty math is correct) of which 8 coins with a face value of $2.82 are actually intended for circulation. 71% of the present-day mint sets are practically commemorative coins at this point. (Nonetheless, I'll still buy it because I want to keep sets currents and would like to complete the Presidential dollar series, because I'm a fool like that).

We're presently down to circulating coins of four denominations (1c, 5c, 10c, 25c) and if the cent is eliminated, down to three (5c, 10c, 25c), assuming those in charge don't come to their senses and eliminate the paper $1 so that a $1 coin actually circulates. After ATB ends in 2021, that would leave us with only six-coin mint sets and three-coin proof sets. While I would like the return to simpler times and smaller annual sets, I can't imagine the Mint would go back to making such small sets, given that the seniorage on all of the NIFC coins included in sets must be huge.
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 Posted 04/03/2012  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add f16 to your friends list
I think that in like 50 years after they are done being minted the value might go up.I know that Canada has stopped minting the penny so I think that the value might go up.
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 Posted 04/04/2012  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add everything to your friends list
Well, the reason to stop minting them in the first place?, what's a penny worth anymore, about Three Cents in production costs?, then transporting, delivering, handing out, bring back to bank, sending for rolling, boxing and delivery back to the banks to start all over again. I think the 59-82 95% copper LMC will have a special place, but like 90% circulated silver, only command a general melt or spot price, which probably won't be much. Long term, definitely, as people hoard these things for the copper, hoping to cash in if the melt ban is ever lifted, maybe double your money in twenty years if your lucky, it's a gamble, but a safe one.
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 Posted 04/04/2012  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list
Does anyone know if Canada intends to include cents in their mint sets in future years? Not that the U.S. would do the same thing as Canada, but it would set a precedent.

I think that if the U.S. stops making cents for circulation, it should include them in mint and proof sets but not sell rolls separately. That would make them more special. They should also stop selling rolls of half dollars unless they intend to circulate them again (doubtful).
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 Posted 04/04/2012  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Not that the U.S. would do the same thing as Canada, but it would set a precedent.
Like the one we followed when we quit printing our one dollar notes to stimulate use of the one dollar coin? Oops!

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I think that if the U.S. stops making cents for circulation, it should include them in mint and proof sets but not sell rolls separately. That would make them more special. They should also stop selling rolls of half dollars...
I agree.
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 Posted 04/05/2012  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Remove Lincoln's coin and Washington's paper note and they both still appear on our circulating money. Problem solved!


While they're at it, give them back their birthdays and get rid of MLKman day.
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 Posted 04/05/2012  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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In my estimation, lot of interest in collecting of cents is that it's the cheapest and easiest way to start collecting a date and mintmark set (despite the fact that it's a hard set to complete!).

Not sure if kids in other countries are as coin collecting as they are here in the USA. When my Son was going to college in Europe he noted so few anywhere where he went had any interest in coin collecting at all. Due to amount of coin collectors alone, getting rid of Pennies would make it difficult for little kids to start collecting coins. Now due to them being of so little value and have been for a long time now, almost any kid that wants to collect coins can do it easily with Pennies. For a kid of about 5 to 10 years old saving a Penny is easy. A Nickel to many is already a bit on the expensive side. Dimes are rather out of reach to a lot of kids.
For that reason alone Pennies are necessary. Kids need something of little value to hold on to. Possibly a vast majority of kids in the USA collect Pennies. Nickels next. To stop them now would mean:
1. Parents would have to find something equally cheap for them to collect. Try to find that.
2. Companies like Whitman, Dansco, Littleton, etc. would have to redo all their Albums.
3. Wouldn't be to many coins in wishing wells if there were no Pennies.
4. Have to rewrite all the sWows that use the word PENNY
5. All those machines in Zoos and Museums that make something out of Pennies would be useless.
6. Many empty spots on this forum where people complain about the cost of making Pennies.
7. Many empty spots on all coin forums where people complain about the word PENNY, instead of CENTS.
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 Posted 04/05/2012  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
I doubt the Lincoln Penny (cent) will ever go away completely. There are billions collected and will be around forever. Look at the Half Cent, 2 cent piece, 3 cent piece, 20 cent piece, gold coins, etc.

And what about sayings like a penny saved is a penny earned? Or a penny for your thoughts? Elongated cents?

It is no different than when the LP record got replaced by the CD. Ask a young kid, when he keeps saying the same thing over and over again, that he sounds like a broken record, and he will have no clue on what you mean.

There are a million things like that in the US culture that eventually go away over time. Even though the cent is way more popular, it isn't useful anymore and needs to go away from our current culture too. It'll still be remembered, just not used as money.
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 Posted 04/05/2012  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Excellent summary, wquinn.

Last time I checked, my beloved and "no longer minted" Eisenhower dollar is still around.
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 Posted 04/06/2012  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
Thanks.

And here is the NN article on it:
http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...rid=68343796
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