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Valued Member
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I have found the clashed "v" on several differnt years of my Morgans. Most are not listed as VAMs. Seems to be an extremely common clash, at least in my collection of morgans.
The encyclopedia of Morgans and Peace dollars talks about clash marks being common throughout the series of Morgans.It also mentions a clashed "E" on reverse from "LIBERTY" just under the tail feathers of the Eagle.Three dates with the full"E".These three are listed as VAMS. 1886-O 1889-O 1891-O .1886-O is the rarest with 1891-O being the most common. regards coffeecup57 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would look more closely at the date to see if the 0 has been changed to a 9. Alot easier to alter that way than to add a mint mark.
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Pillar of the Community
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I do see what appears to be roughness around the MM but I'd still double check the 9.
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Rest in Peace
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The orientation of the obverse to reverse die during a clash event leaves the clash markings in a specific location or degrees from top dead center (0 degrees). This is most evident with the V next to the left wing, the neck line from the top right wing and wing line off of the neck. All these markers are like finger prints and usually no two die pairings (VAMs) have the same marking locations . Die clashed coins will not be listed unless there is letter transfer or notable counter clashes. The OP coin shows the V clash mark slightly off from all listed VAM locations for 1889 CC. |
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I would look more closely at the date to see if the 0 has been changed to a 9. Alot easier to alter that way than to add a mint mark.
Will get a closeup taken of the date and post later today.Maybe a more experienced eye will spot something.In hand under a loupe,there appears to be no tampering or alterations. Thanks for all the input so far. regards coffeecup57 |
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In addition, can you get a closeup of the area I've circled in red? If real, this could only be a VAM-5, and that variety has a distinctive die scratch at the spot I've noted.  Edit: Golly, that 9 looks waaaaay wrong. Nowhere near where it should be. |
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It looks like the metal around the cc has been excavated a little. Is there a method where they might heat up the metal in that area and vacuum it into a cc stamp?
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Thanks for the additional images, coffeecup57. Based on them, I'm pretty certain that this one's an altered-mint mark but otherwise genuine 1889. No way to tell what the original mint mark was.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yeah, this one looks like an altered mintmark. In the most recent picture posted upon SsuperDdave's request, the striations within liberty look eerily similar to the ones exhibited by this altered mintmark posted recently. That coin appear to match an 1889-P Vam-43a and my feeling is yours may match too. Some of the more knowledgeable members will probably either confirm or deny my suspicions. |
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Yes. it does appear to be an altered MM. I always check the date after I saw the clever date alteration a couple months ago. A novice dealer acquaintance of mine got stuck with it and it looked so real it was a wakeup for him.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm pretty certain that this one's an altered-mint mark but otherwise genuine 1889. How do you suppose this one was added? It looks rather soft for a soldered mm--do you supposed it was worked up from the fields--I wonder what the rim looks like?  |
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The OP mentioned what might be a low spot adjacent to the MM; with heat applied, and especially if there was a mint mark there to begin with (extra meat), one could rebuild a pretty convincing CC from it all.
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Pillar of the Community
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I'd also like to see the reeding on the rims, especially around the bottom of the coin near the mintmark. It doesn't look real to me, but what was it originally, interesting?
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I'd also like to see the reeding on the rims, especially around the bottom of the coin near the mintmark. It doesn't look real to me, but what was it originally, interesting? Since a couple of you have expressed interest in the reeding.I will set up and get some photos taken and posted later today. regards coffeecup57 |
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Valued Member
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For those that wanted to see the reeded edge,more photos. 1st directly under "MM". 2nd opposite eagles left wing 3rd opposite eagles head 4th opposite eagles right wing Tried to cover as much of the rim as possible regards coffeecup57     |
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