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 Posted 03/17/2013  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list
Seller states they are a long standing EAC member. If that's how they handle the coin to take a picture, imagine how they handle it to view and store it?
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 Posted 03/18/2013  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJB17 to your friends list
I contacted the seller through ebay and said that he shouldn't handle the coins with bare hands because it turns off a lot of collectors to see coins mishandled like that. This was his response.

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Thank you,

Someone should have told me that 14 years ago before I got 267 of the 295 Sheldon numbers. To be fair, you do make a good point. No one should ever touch a coin that grades MS because the oils on the hand will damage the copper. Unfortunately, I don't have a single mint state coin in my collection.

Thanks for writing.

(an advanced large cent collector and member of EAC)

I was going to respond that he might get more bids and interested buyers without holding the coins in his photos, but I figured what do I care if he doesn't make as much money as he could with better photos. I did my duty by emailing once, so I was done.
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 Posted 03/19/2013  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list
He's right, ya know. Handling well-circulated coins isn't going to hurt them very much, if at all. Now, some XF and all AU-MS coins are another story.
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 Posted 03/19/2013  04:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
I can see both points. This isn't exactly a low grade common V nickel or Indian head worth a buck. If that was mine and I wanted to sell it wouldn't even leave the holder. Once the owner gets it, they can do whatever they please with it. On the other hand, this coin has been held by thousands of people when it was used as money and it didn't hurt it but it is not used as legal tender anymore and shouldn't be treated as such. If you think that a coin is being mishandled, you can just not bid on it.
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 Posted 03/19/2013  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list
It's OK. He dips his hands in acetone before handling any coin.
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 Posted 03/19/2013  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
While I respect different collector's opinions on proper coin handling etiquette, I feel the need to speak up here: There are indeed right ways and wrong ways to handle coins. We are taught as coin collecting fundamentals certain rules such as "never clean a coin" and "never touch a coin". Well the coin collecting world is not so black and white. If you are a die hard coin purist and you prefer to abide by these rules then so be it and I will respect your opinion. However, I would expect coin collectors to mature and grow as they grow wiser over their collecting life. This means having an understanding that "there is more than 1 way to skin a cat".

Basically, don't confuse your own personal idiosyncrasies with correct and proper coin handling etiquette. What business is it of yours to email an ebay seller and tell him that he is handling his coins incorrectly? I think the seller's reply was witty and very polite considering he could very easilly have told you to mind your own business.
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 Posted 03/19/2013  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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It's OK. He dips his hands in acetone before handling any coin.



I handle my 2¢ circulatled pieces, sometimes they sit in my palm like the photo, no harm IMO. Picked up only by the rim edge, with washed clean hands.

Doesn't bother me - nor would it stop me from bidding, a lot of the top EAC collectors abhor slabs and still use paper 2x2 envelopes.
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 Posted 03/19/2013  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Actually, with old copper like that and especially true for ancient coins, it's not that big of a deal to handle them like that. I wouldn't try smearing my finger prints deliberately all over the surfaces but the surfaces that already have that type of patina/toning aren't going to be harmed when handled with the flat of the hand. Ancient coin collectors HATE slabs, generally speaking, and strive to be able to hold their ancient coins in their hands.
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 Posted 03/20/2013  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
C'mon, there's no problem having this circuklated coin 'placed' in one's hand.

You guys are overreacting a bit.

An AU and MS coin, absolutely shouldn't be handled this way, but this coin's been around the block a few times and there'll be no fingerprints left on this one unless the seller just finished making pizza dough.
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 Posted 03/21/2013  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list
It just seems to me like an old antique silver pot that a dealer is going to sell, and he uses it to cook his family dinner.
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 Posted 03/21/2013  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tgauchsin to your friends list

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Someone should have told me that 14 years ago before I got 267 of the 295 Sheldon numbers.


Being a semi-newbie, I had to Google "Sheldon numbers." The results: A whole lotta of Big Bang Theory links, especially about the number 73.



Someone care to enlighten me?

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 Posted 03/22/2013  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stringboogie to your friends list
I've been blasted more than once via email for this transgression tryin to get a good photo.my fingers are cupped so as the coin is not laying flat,still I see no big deal on coins that have problems or are lower grade as every handler was not wearing gloves as the coin wore its way from ms60 - vg8,etc.it seems odd to me to see a damaged/corroded green copper being held with coin gloves unless they are protecting their hands from the coin..recently gave my oldest grandson a nice ag+ 1800 large cent and I just couldnt tell him-its yours but you cant touch it unless you're wearing gloves
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 Posted 03/22/2013  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BamaBlue to your friends list
I recently sorted a large batch of Liberty Halves that I've had for over 25 years. I sorted a group that I was going to sell to a jeweler fro scrap. I have to say that it was a great experience to handle these coins and not take the great care I normally exercise with my coins. There's something about large silver coins that gets lost with gloves and gingerly holding a coin by the rim...
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 Posted 03/23/2013  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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Someone care to enlighten me?


Dr. William Sheldon. He wrote a book on Large Cents using his own numbering system called Sheldon Varieties consisting of around 300 different varieties. The book is quite famous and is called "Penny Whimsy." You will often see Large Cents in holders with S-3 or S-2c or similar designations, that is the Sheldon variety number.

The "Sheldon scale" is the grading scale we use in numismatics today Grades 1-70 where Poor is 1 and a perfect coin (theoretically impossible) would be MS70.
(Though MS70 is given out today by TPG's in modern coins, I am not in agreement with them on that practice.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list

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There's something about large silver coins that gets lost with gloves and gingerly holding a coin by the rim...

My guilty secret is that whenever I see a huge bin of silver coins being sold for around bullion value, I push them around in the bin while pretending to search just to hear the ringing sounds they make.

But I have a lot of 1967 Canadian silver coinage, and one of the most reliable ways to distinguish the .800 and .500 silver pieces is to give them a good hard flip and compare the sound with two known coins. It's a lot of fun, really.
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