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Hadrian Brass Sestertius

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 Posted 12/29/2013  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Very nice coin 100% genuine.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
That does look much closer.

Thank you very much, it's all a great help
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 Posted 12/29/2013  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
If it has been reported as being only
"a little larger than a U.S. quarter",
then it is about the right size for a dupondius (double assarion).

The color of the metal is right for both the sestertius and the dupondius. Only problem is that the Emperor on a dupondius is normally depicted wearing a radiate crown, to distinguish the orichalcum dupondius from a bronze as (assarion).

We really do need some accurate information on the diameter and the weight.

What looks like tiny file marks on the edge have me a little bit concerned, especially in the left part of that picture.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
I can get it out tomorrow and get an accurate size and weight. Don't 100% quote me on the quarter - my memory is going along with my eyes, but I do seem to recall it being around that size, and much larger than the 'normal' ancients I have.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list
Amazing coin man!!
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 Posted 12/29/2013  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Very impressive coin. Almost certainly a sestertius based on the thickness I see in the photo. I think the coin is genuine from what I see but because it is so beautiful I would want a better look. This is an instance where the absence of any flan crack makes photographic observation slightly more difficult. Some people don't like cracks but I actually don't mind them so much. They can make the verification a bit easier. Cracks are hard to fake. But as they had not yet become common during the reign of Hadrian we must do without. A few rasp like marks on the edge don't bother me too much either. One might imagine a young (rich) lad impatiently waiting while his father haggles over price on a used chariot playing with one and scraping on the stone steps while he waits to visit the candy store.
There is an anomaly at 2 o'clock on reverse that bears some observation. If it was 'cast' this could be the sprue area disguised as an imperfection. I don't think it is only pointing out a possibility.

Over all I am about 90% satisfied. As mentioned in the grading forum I like a bit of 'thick' patina (preferrably with some coloration) This one has almost none and what I see is basic black. But it has much to be excited about ! Which is also why it deserves close inspection. Being excited about a coin is the best way to get fooled.

While I am here lets give it a grade too.

High end VF on the FR scale with some obvious wear. Well centered with reasonably clear legends. Great eye appeal and excellent artistic style (sometimes Hadrian looks a bit different but this really captures his persona)

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 Posted 12/29/2013  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
xshift-Gorgeous piece. Looks authentuic to me. The thick ancient patina has been cleaned off and to me the cleaning does not look recent. I would love to see this coin in hand. I love the look of the coin for sure, despite the lack of patina, the eye appeal is great. Its a large coin of an emperor that ruled the Roman Empire at its height. FR (the AE guy) has made a dynamite analysis of the piece and I can add little. WOW!
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 Posted 12/29/2013  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I have to admit, I can't really make up my mind about those edge 'scratches'. They could very well simply be just the result of being scratched against a stone surface.

Very minor PMD, you may say.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I would say it's as struck, no?
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 Posted 12/29/2013  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Thank you for the analysis!

I've taken some more shots of the suspicious area, along with a size comparison against the quarter. I was slightly off when I said it was "slightly" larger. Size of the Hadrian is 31.42mm and weight is 25.02g. Thickness is 4.4mm.

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 Posted 12/29/2013  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
nice, I dig a nice thick AE coin!
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 Posted 12/30/2013  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Yep! It's a sestertius, all right!
Ta muchly for those edge pictures.

The blanks were hot when struck, and were made orichalcum (brass: copper / zinc alloy), to make them more malleable, and to extend the die life. The technique also helped to restrict the amount of edge cracking.

You will notice the roughness of the surface inside the crack, indicating metal distress. From what I understand, that characteristic is very hard to reproduce with a cast fake. The metal surface inside the cracks tend to be much smoother, with a cast fake.

The style and fabric indicate genuine.
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 Posted 12/30/2013  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
The 'real' deal. Very nice show piece for your collection.
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 Posted 12/30/2013  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list
I like my newest hadrian sestertius, but yours is definatly the best!
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 Posted 12/30/2013  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Thank you all very much for the help. It's nice to know that sometimes gambles pay off - this was in an online estate auction years ago with only a couple of small images, but I liked the look of what I was able to see.

Unfortunately, it is going to end up as a nice show piece for someone else's collection, as I have to sell it.
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