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Off Center On Foreign Planchet?

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 Posted 02/10/2014  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-win to your friends list
Thanks for the great info Mike. I'm checking out the bidding history, and it looks like you actually won the auction. When you get the coin in hand, I would love an update to this thread. At the very least to feed my curiosity
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 Posted 02/10/2014  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I'll weigh it and report back. But I can tell you that the off-center nickels with this pattern of upset weighed the same as a normal nickel planchet.

I see this as a distinctly different pattern of upset, rather than one that occupies the far end of the normal range of variation with respect to bevel length and angle (which can be considerable). I also don't see this as circumferential pre-strike damage that happens to resemble upset. The question is whether it's an experimental style of upset, use of an upset mill set up for some foreign denomination, improperly machined grooves, or something else.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-win to your friends list
I appreciate it Mike, thank you. Chances are it's going to be normal weight because you say the nickels you've seen with the same upset had normal weights. Very interesting coin nonetheless, it's going to be tough to determine exactly what happened.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Loco to your friends list
Guys, I have no clue about off center coins, but this one looks odd when compared to others up for auction. This one either has a rotated die or something. The reverse is not aligned correctly to the obverse. Is this normal for off centered coins?
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 Posted 02/10/2014  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Well,...that wasn't the result I was expecting.
Mike got a nice pickup there...I hope I hear more.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Rotation looks OK (or at least pretty close) to me.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Is it just me, or does the radius of the planchet seem smaller than the radius of the Linc (the part that's good)? A little play in the Gimp indicates - based on the ratio of the length of "IBERTY" to the full diameter of a Cent - that the planchet is a bit small. There's room for error in this, though.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jamesd to your friends list
Loco, I see what you are saying with the rotation.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I really would like to know the WEIGHT.
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 Posted 02/10/2014  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list
Glad this piece is getting some discussion here.
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 Posted 02/14/2014  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I now have the coin and my quickie scale (accurate to the nearest 0.1g) provides a weight of 3.0 grams. It therefore falls within the normal range of variation for copper-alloy cents. That's what I fully expected. But it's a nice addition to my small stockpile of off-center coins with abnormal upset.
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 Posted 02/14/2014  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-win to your friends list
Thanks for the weight update Mike. Even with the normal weight it's still a very nice coin.
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 Posted 02/15/2014  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
The off-center cent was minted between 1959 and 1968 and its exact weight is 3.04 grams. While the Mint has produced foreign planchets that weigh exactly 3 grams and that are composed of 95% copper, none of these candidates were minted during the requisite time period. So I'm confident this is a cent planchet.

This "long bevel" style of upset makes no functional sense, as the highest point on the planchet's proto-rim lies well inside the position of the future design rim. One of the reasons for upsetting a blank is to guide the formation of the design rim. This style of upset is decidely at odds with that goal.
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 Posted 02/15/2014  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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One of the reasons for upsetting a blank is to guide the formation of the design rim. This style of upset is decidely at odds with that goal.


Odd, that. Did you happen to check the planchet's diameter?
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 Posted 02/15/2014  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
Minimum diameter of the unstruck portion of the planchet is 18.75mm. So it would have fit comfortably inside a cent collar, had it been inserted properly.
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