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It doesn't say anything about doubling on the loop of six being prominent it just says there is a line there and the eight with doubling 1886 thats what I took pictures of
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And, it is not the 1F because the clash line coming out of the neck on the 1F does not match the clash position on your coin. From here you should be able to figure it out just by clicking on each VAM until you find one that matches your coin. Once you find one that matches your coin perfectly you will have the correct VAM #. The reason these things have to match perfectly is because VAMs are cataloged as the dies that made the coins. Each die has it's own attributes. Some are close to each other, but when you really start looking you will notice the subtle differences i.e. the clash positions, die scratches, die gouges, doubling, etc.. |
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Looks like Machine Doubling with a little die erosion sprinkled in for good measure. |
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I think it might be the VAM 3B with only a single clash event. The coin pictured on the 3B page is double clashed. You can see that one of the clashing events matches your coin (and appears to be the only one listed with that clashing position). These 1886-P VAMs look like they need to be gone through by an expert and reorganized. Some of them appear to have earlier die states that might be listable separately. From the way I am looking at the VAM 3A and 3B, it is totally possible that they are not actually related. My guess is that the 3A should be a separate listing from the 3B and that the 3B may have actually been clashed with the position your coin exhibits first and then clashed a second time making what is now called the 3B. As you can see on the 3B the page the clashed letters are barely visible. This could be do to it being such a (LDS) late die state example. Are you 100% sure you see letter transfer? If not then we need to completely ignore the clashes and look for other attributes. It is also possible that the clash on your coin might not be strong enough to have caused letter transfer, which could make your coin a potential VAM 1 or VAM VNA. Or it could be any of the other VAMs that have no clashed letters listed. I hope this helps and does not confuse you even more. If it does just ignore this post. Kris |
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To find out if this coin is in the VAM 3 family you would need to show us a good photo of the 1 in the date. The VAM 3, 3A & 3B should all have the doubled 1. VAM 3A and 3B are just later die states of the VAM 3. If you can get a good photo of in front of the neck, the 1 in the date and a good clear reverse photo that would really help. I have been just taking wild guesses with what you have provided. It really is not easy to attribute without clear obv and rev photos or the coin in hand. My best advice for you is to click on every single VAM and eliminate them as you go through the list. There are many VAMs listed with attributes that we would not be able to see in your photos. For instance, the VAM 1D, 1H, 1J, 1K, all have small markers that would need closeups to be viewed. There are also some others that it could be, but you will need to figure that out since you have the coin in hand and can look at all of the places up close or take closeup photos. Your date also appears to be high, which VAM 7 is listed as a high date. You will just have to look through the list and find one that matches your coin. Even if you think you have found it, keep looking through them all so that you can learn what kind of stuff to look for in the future. Plus sometimes a VAM is listed with an attribute that can be found on more than one VAM. For instance, the VAM 3 is listed with the doubled 1 only, but the 3A & 3B also have the doubled one plus other attributes, because they are just later die states. |
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Here is one of your photos showing the 6 in the date. This proves you do not have the VAM 20. There is a line inside the VAM 20 "6" in the date from where the digit was either repunched, punched over another digit or something like that. Your coin does not have the line inside the 6 and the doubled line under the one is not at the correct angle nor is the "die slide" doubling raised on your coin.  If you look back at your original photo before I added the red line to it, you will see that there is no way your coin can be the VAM 20. Kris |
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Ok thanks I think its just a shadow putting optical allusion I will try 2 get better pic
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I still think its a VAM 20 if you look at my sixth pic and match it up you can see that there is actually 2 lines on the VAM 20 not 1 there is one from the bottom left curving up to the right and one from the top left curving down to the right forming what looks like one line |
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Re-read my last few posts to you. It is impossible for your coin to be a VAM 20. Take a close up of the 1 in the date. Then take a close up of the front of lady Liberties neck where the clash line is coming out. Kris |
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The only other one I see is the VAM 15 |
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I did on the last 2 pictures on last topic
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