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I have an issue with the nomenclature here. I don't see any dots in these photos... according to various sources, including the Royal Canadian Mint, these are referred to as "beads" on the obverse legend. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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THAT is why I chose my words carefully. No Need to get all" Dotty" over a bead issue !
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Not sure what the purpose of the thread is, but going by its name, here's an image of a dot, on a 1999 august quarter.  |
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a small DIE CHIP above a BEADED border.
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Nice image of a dot mysterious_dr_x, thank you for sharing!
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If I google "images of dots", is that what we're talking about?
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first set looks like the rim has been flattened out giving the appearance of 'near' dots, or spots, or beads, or whatever we are calling the little round things these days. Quote:
Posting images of dots.
If I had a question, I would ask a question so.... dots? or spots?  |
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With this.............who knows!  ! |
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Nice photo Wade, is that your pup? I grew up with a dalmatian dog... was a great pet for me as a young kid, that dog could run forever behind my motorbike around the fields of home...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Wade How about just adorable "Large Beads" , I mean look at the eyes!!!
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The 'Apple Dumpling Gang' rides again. "I have an issue with the nomenclature here. I don't see any dots in these photos... according to various sources, including the Royal Canadian Mint, these are referred to as "beads" on the obverse legend."[SPP-Ottawa] "THAT is why I chose my words carefully. No Need to get all" Dotty" over a bead issue !"[Pacificoin] If either of you bothered to read up on when the new obverse was made current for 1965, you would realize more than you do at the present moment. Sorry that I missed the 'parental warnings' at the beginning of this thread. Didn't realize that a (I am the Greatest gift to the hobby) moderator and his trusty (I know everything about the hobby) side-kick would require them. Let me guess, another potentially informative thread is going to sink away into the "censorship abyss". All for the reasons that two people can't think outside their sandbox. |
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If either of you bothered to read up on when the new obverse was made current for 1965, you would realize more than you do at the present moment.
Sorry that I missed the 'parental warnings' at the beginning of this thread.
Didn't realize that a (I am the Greatest gift to the hobby) moderator and his trusty (I know everything about the hobby) side-kick would require them.
Let me guess, another potentially informative thread is going to sink away into the "censorship abyss".
All for the reasons that two people can't think outside their sandbox. First off, let's get some things straight here. No censorship abyss here as this can stay for all to read. Personal attacks of any nature will not be tolerated. Consider this your only warning. Secondly, I believe all that SPP and Pacificoin are trying to do is educate folks that may be new to the coin collecting world of what the proper terminology is for the coins that you are depicting. While I am not well versed in Canadian coinage, I believe all of the "dots" that occur on Canadian coins with the exception of the 1935/6(?) coins are actually die chips are they not? As for the beads that you are illustrating, if the RCM is calling these dots now and not beads as you elude to in your first sentence, can you please quote the material so that everyone can learn that the terminology has changed? I'm pretty sure SPP and Pacificoin will be the first to eat crow if what they are trying to "teach" folks is incorrect. |
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It's about time you realized this is not just SPP exercising ego. We're all following this, and SPP is only the figurehead because it's appropriate to have a Canadian Mod in the Canadian forums if there's one in stock. He speaks for CCF.
The technical term for what you're discussing is "die poop," and we're growing weary of constantly fighting to keep less-experienced members from reading this crud and thinking "dots" are important.
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Official DOTS on Canadian coins are the infamous 1936 1 cent, 10 cents and 25 cents issues where the 25 cents coins actually reached circulation. Also the 1937 5 cents has a dot after the 7 that is official and was part of the original design to balance the date. The 1938 and later five cents did not retain this feature. I for one am not aware of any other official DOTS that were purpose made part of any Canadian Coin design. Most of the other recognized ( by cataloguers and TPG ) so called dots on Canadian coins (among them 1947 5,25 cents and Dollar denominations, the 1956 ten cents and the 1958 50 cents) are die chips from dies that had problems. These resulted in circular die chips. The OP original coin is the 2nd Queen Elizabeth II Canadian obverse that was first used in 1965. The OBVERSE BEADING is part of the official design and certainly is not referred to as dots. If one examines various Canadian coin issues of the classic period (1858- 1968) you can find die chips, die cracks and rusted dies of just about any issue if you look closely. Die usage often bordered on excessive as die steel was expensive and die cutting involved lots of valuable time being used. Finally , at a recent coin show in Portland OR " a good US Dealer friend of mine who sells lots of Canadian coins asked me a very valid question, that pertains to this and the associated threads that always seem to end badly or get locked. He said " Jack, what is it with Canadian Collectors, they always seem so enamored with the most miniscule and minor so called varieties that are absolutely meaningless in the large scheme of collecting?" I tend to agree ! |
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Bellmaker, given the personal attacks, my first reaction was to delete your post and give you a vacation, but I decided to leave it here, as an example to others who participate in this forum. Quote:
The 'Apple Dumpling Gang' rides again. Threads here are about coins, not people. My comment was specifically referring to the beads (or dots, as you call them) on the obverse of the coins, and the nomenclature used in Canadian numismatics. Whether or not you agree comments made here is your prerogative - but do not twist your words into personal attacks. Quote:
If either of you bothered to read up on when the new obverse was made current for 1965, you would realize more than you do at the present moment. Instead of being so cryptic with your messages, be constructive with your comments - do you have a reference to back that comment up? We are all here to learn and expand our knowledge... Quote:
Didn't realize that a (I am the Greatest gift to the hobby) moderator and his trusty (I know everything about the hobby) side-kick would require them. This comment is completely unacceptable here, or anywhere else. I will ask Jack to refrain from his "dotty" comments in the future. But, tread very carefully here... Quote:
Let me guess, another potentially informative thread is going to sink away into the "censorship abyss".
All for the reasons that two people can't think outside their sandbox. Correct sir!  As for censorship, I should remind you that this is a site dedicated to the promotion of numismatics, with a very high percentage of new and young collectors participating here. The free speech platform does not fly here, not for you and not for anyone else. Welcome to our sandbox. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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