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I Think I've Ben Had, Help Please

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 Posted 02/08/2008  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Im not sure what posting a link to the auction will or can do to make a difference at this point ,,

the auction has completed ,, If it contains a return policy then the buyer can return the coins as not as described and get his money back depending on His payment method .

The Ikes were not minted in solid silver ever ,they are silver clad or copper nickel clad coins ,,the weight would be needed to pin down one composition or the other .

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 Posted 02/08/2008  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcarver9183 to your friends list
good note for all of us to remember always do your researcch b4 you buy..i hope you are able to get your money back
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 Posted 02/08/2008  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vernelrod to your friends list
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...WN:IT&ih=016

here is a link to the auction. I am awefully prone to my brain just shutting out relevant parts of titles and such, as in this auction my brain shut out everything after morgan and Peace dollars.....
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 Posted 02/08/2008  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
The seller states a 14 day return policy ,,If your not happy with them send them back .

as to the wording of the ad ,,I don't see where He called them solid silver ,He referred to them as bullion and as silver Ikes ? Which in essence they can be considered since they do contain silver and have a value above the normal CuNi clad Ikes .
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 Posted 02/08/2008  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
The listing says the seller has a 14-day, money-back return policy. If you're not happy with your purchase, try contacting them and ask them to honor the policy. Have you given it a shot?
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 Posted 02/08/2008  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
As read on that auction:

quote:
"...especially with our economy on the brink of a recession, Silver could go THROUGH THE ROOF!


Yeah? Well, where has silver been already in the last few years--flat since nobody knew of a recession? Since "melt value" of coins is a hot topic of late, let's look at the trends of silver since '04, especially that red arrow (added by me).

I-Think-I've-Ben-Had,-Help-Please

Guess what also happened at the arrow? That's when the insiders and a few private investors realized the real estate bubble was in trouble and they started to divest. Anyone care to guess where their money went? Coincidence, maybe...I'll let you be the judge. It looks about the same for gold trends:

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It all looks good if you bought today, and those trends continue for another year or two. Yet as a cautionary note, someday the trend lines for these two metals will be similar to those before the red arrow.
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 Posted 02/08/2008  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
The seller is a psychologist, (among other things). the way he worded the info, tends to lend credence to the idea thatMorgans, peace, and IKE's are silver. NOT!I have the whols Ike series, and there is NO silver IKES! 40% silver PLATING, yes, but that is where it ebds. I do not refer to nor includede the proof. It is liken to putting a lemon on one endm a grapefruit on the other end, and oranges in between. The onlty thing they have in common is they are citrus, and in the case of the Morgan, peace, and Ike is they are "dollars. If you don't like them, get your money back, and finsd another seller with a bit more integrety!
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 Posted 02/09/2008  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list
Sometimes we have to learn the hard way.
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 Posted 02/09/2008  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deadmunny to your friends list
The silver melt value today is $12.60. It was over $13 yesterday. You thought you were getting at least 10 X 12 in melt alone, but in actuality you got (5 X 8)+(2 X 12) in melt. I don't know the numismatic value of your Peace and Morgan but there are mistakes that are a lot worse than this.

I could see myself doing the same thing over a deal on 1965 Kennedy halves, thinking I'm getting all silver. Luckily for you, you can get your money back.
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 Posted 02/09/2008  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alcochaser to your friends list
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You are bidding on (1) half roll (10 coins) of Silver Dollar. These are mixed (1) Morgan, (1) Peace and (8) silver Ike dollars (the specially minted silver ones, not the clads, mostly 1971-S). This silver dollar roll has HUGE potential for retail value, especially with our economy on the brink of a recession, Silver could go THROUGH THE ROOF
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The wording is a tad short here, but I see nothing wrong really. He means that they are not the copper nickel clad but the silver ones.... which are silver clad..

Lets see

Coin flation lists the 40% ikes at $5.4107 silver value each
Peace and Morgan weigh in at $13.2337.

So doing some math.

Eight 40% Ikes
$43.2856

Two 90% Silver Dollars
$26.4674

Grand total of
$69.753 for melt value.

Now these coins can be worth more for their collectible value, lets do some ballpark figures.

Silver Uncirculated Ikes usually go for around $8 dollars each, maybe a couple more dollars if it's really nice.

VG peace and Morgan dollars can go for plus or minus 18 dollars. Much more for nice grades

I would say you paid a tiny bit much.... but you were not "taken to the cleaners" thats reserved for really getting taken.

Worse case you have sliders for the 90%, even then the Ikes did not usually circulate or get beat up. they are probably still worth 8 each.

Best case yours are worth more, especially if the dealer missed a VAM Morgan dollar. Post some pictures...



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02/09/2008 02:42 am
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 Posted 02/09/2008  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mr merc to your friends list
Where does it say in the auction the coins are solid silver?
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 Posted 02/09/2008  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mr merc to your friends list
Also where does it say special strike? I'm missing something here probably. If I were you I'd return them. Then I'd take the $100 and look for a nice uncirculated Morgan or Peace dollar at my local coin shop.JMO
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 Posted 02/09/2008  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list

"here is a link to the auction. I am awefully prone to my brain just shutting out relevant parts of titles and such, as in this auction my brain shut out everything after morgan and Peace dollars....."

Sometimes we just need to slow down and read it a couple of times before bidding.

I see nothing wrong with the auction, but since the seller has a return policy you have the right to return the mistake you made!
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 Posted 02/09/2008  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Another lesson to be learned here - the first task of an ebay buyer is to research the Feedback of someone from whom they wish to purchase. The seller in this circumstance has 99.1% Positive Feedback. Not bad, right? Well, looked at more closely, he's averaging almost two Negatives and two Neutrals a month, ten in the last month alone. This seller is sliding downward. I wouldn't risk buying from him.
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 Posted 02/10/2008  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
" Ike dollars (the specially minted silver ones, not the clads, mostly 1971-S)"

A good seller should have clarified: Silver-Copper Clad versus Copper-Nickel Clad. To say "specially minted silver," although misleading, is not an outright lie. I do not see where it said they were solid silver, which would be a lie, even for 90% Morgans.

Not to slam the buyer, but it cannot be stressed enough: know what you are buying. Take this as a lesson learned. If you get stuck with them, hold on to them for a while, they should appreciate in the long run.
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