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That's AU-50 ? I would give it VF-30, maybe EF-40 tops.
That coin needs to be xrf'd, and measured.
1 cc of copper weighs 8.94g.
1 cc of tin weighs 7.27g. (approx. 80.5 % of copper weight)
ergo: If the 2 planchets are the same dimensions, and a copper one weighs 3.34g., then the tin one should weigh only 2.69g.
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So you don"t think PCGS would not have XRF this coin to put tin on the label, this coin is unique on both date and composition, now it"s graded the marketplace will talk.
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It is weird that the tin cent would weigh more then the regular copper cent. A copper cent weight would be 3.24g yet this is heavier. I can't argue with the pro graders but it's weird.
Edit: also does not look AU to me but being a unique piece grading would have to be subjective.
Edited by Wrekkdd
12/07/2021 4:48 pm
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Without the XRF results, it's only a guess, but the OP's coin was probably an alloy and not straight tin .... maybe some lead or something further up the periodic table.
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Very true okie, does anyone know if there is a list of foreign coinage struck at the mint in 67 that was the size of the Canadian cent coin?
Edited by Wrekkdd
12/07/2021 5:54 pm
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The PCGS label does not say this is struck on a cent or dime planchet, it says a weight and tin PCGS must have XRF this coin to know it"s tin, not nickel, aluminum ect.
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The RCM did not strike any coins for foreign countries in 1967 |
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I suspect mint shenanigans. After all, 1967 has a ton of oddities that slipped out the back door.
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Tin and other light metals are abundant on a minting shop as they have multiple uses and are components of various parts. This may not be the result of a shenanigan but just an accident. Whatever how the 'planchet' made its way to the chamber, in my (less than expert) opinion, for sure it was not intended as a pattern.
This is a rare and fortunate planchet error. I only wish it was a twoonie.
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Briefly to address the last two posts "shenanigans " and "less then expert ". Using your same logic I presume the Charlton # DC-33 and Charlton # DC-34 Trial / Essay pieces OMS should also be simple "shenanigans".
We have been life long collectors with large holdings of CAD Patterns, Trial Pieces And Official Fabrrications including the for mentioned OMS 67 Tin.
No need to respond just my "less then expert" opinion. Seasons Greetings To All.
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Quick question: shouldn't a pattern be well documented? After all, a pattern implies intent.
I owe a number of odd pieces that could be called pattern. Just because I like the term, it doesn't follow that they are.
Again, by far, not an expert in the series, but I don't think this piece is a pattern. I still think is a highly desirable fortunate planchet error.
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Briefly Please Note; Just to set the record straight. I have never used the term "pattern" that was used in your post. I simply referenced a Charlton DC-33, DC-34 and I will add DC-32 we own all of these, (but in my opinion only) these are all better defined as Trial or Essay fabrications OMS by definition. Perhaps, review the Charlton definitions of Pattern as opposed to Trial or Essay fabrications.
We are presently in the process of authenticating a 1944 50 Cent CAD lead OMS fabrication. Regardless as always in numismatics the story behind the coin is just as cool as the coin.
Good luck with all your future collecting.
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There is no logic whatsoever to the mint making a pattern cent in tin. Tin is far more expensive than copper and is a very scarce metal compared to copper and zinc. If Canada went to tin for cents, it would have dramatically increased its minting costs and subjected the mint to potential supply shortages.
Edited by Smallcentguy
12/19/2021 10:04 am
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I have also owned, or handled, patterns DC-29, DC-33 and DC-34, and have examined in hand patterns DC-19. DC-20 and DC-21. I should note that ALL were specimen strikes, as most patterns tend to be. Even undocumented "test" strikes, tend to be fully struck specimen quality coins. Looking at the PCGS TrueView photos, this is definitely not a specimen strike.
I am very skeptic of this being anything other than mint shenanigans. When mint worker Frederick Prieber and coin dealer Rudolph Hoffman were arrested in 1970, Priebe was charged with "breach of trust," that had occurred between January 1967 and March, 1970. Upon his arrest, Hoffman was caught with lots of silver and gold blanks as well as "coin blanks of various sizes".
There is just too much ambiguity, and it happened too long ago, to determine what this actually was. That all said... is it a special coin? Absolutely!! It is most likely unique, and undoubtedly the hammer price will reflect just how cool this coin is. I'd personally love to own it, but in today's strong numismatic market, this coin will hammer down well in excess of my budget.
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Cool stuff = cool price, 5200.00 plus added fees and HST, close to a 9 grand coin !
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