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Russ, may I add your V19 photo to the VW page? That's a cool one ;)
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It is already up (Just the Rev die shot), this is the top pop in this variety and I think its an MS coin not an AU-58. The obv die is so much different then the rev die, I think the graders are thinking net grade!
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01/29/2017 5:57 pm
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I am not seeing the photo above on the page. Ha, funny about the net grade thing. I could easily see that. Graders were not sure where to go with that one! Is yours PL ish, or is it just the lighting giving that effect?
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The reveres is PL'ish and the OB is a normal die type
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Nice one Nate. I managed to cheery pick a V45 recently and now need to find a V78. Still looking for that elusive V1C3 as well....  Russ, that V19 is crazy! Just added to my VAM bucket list.  |
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Yeah. Is it just me or does that v19 remind anyone else of Van Gogh's Starry Night painting
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Funny comment Chris, but I see where you are coming from. Dave, that VAM-1C3 will be very hard to find. I am beginning to think I need to start looking in melt bins to find a full blown 1C3. As for the VAM-19... yeah, that thing is crazy. I was beginning to compare the VAM-78 to the VAM-19, but I am not quite sure if it is just or not. Per LVA the VAM-78 is one of the most extreme "buffed" varieties in the early $ series. VAM 19 may take the cake though. I will not pass judgment until I have a VAM-19 in hand to compare side by side. They are both awesome. |
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I own both coins, I have 2 1880 O V-78. I am here to tell you the 1891 V-19 is far and away more collapsed then the 1880 O V-78. I bought one of my 1880 O coins at FUN about 3 years ago Raw. The dealer had it priced at AU money and cleaned. It graded MS-62, so the look on the reverse can help you buy one on the cheap from time to time.
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Well I will just have to take your work for it Russ! Are your VAM-78s the EDS version?
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Both are late die states and while this particular die variant is just amazing on both coins. Having both in hand, the 1891 O is much more dramatic, do to the PL'ish surface of the coin, the "Messed up die Jumps out or off the fields"
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The EDS/LDS thing confuses me with this particular variety because it seems that typically later die states of this type are more collapses, yet LVA says that the EDS is much more extreme than the LDS. PL fields... maybe that is why he called it EDS. I wonder if there was a mid-die state re-working of sorts, hence the PL fields.
A good example is the 1883-O VAM-1C series... VAM-1C1 can be found in DMPL with almost no over-polishing at all, and as the die progresses in its life it becomes more and more collapsed. I've been trying to wrap my head around the whole V78 EDS thing for a little while now wondering how the collapsing seemingly wore away in later die states. I am going to guess something happened to the dies between the "EDS" and "LDS."
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I would think something had to take place to make the more collapsed die state PL. Quote:
I am beginning to think I need to start looking in melt bins to find a full blown 1C3. I've been watching the ebay melt bin for some time now looking for a circulated 1C3. That's how I came across this one (not a 1C3 of course, but) http://goccf.com/t/227654&SearchTerms=1883 Edited by dave700x
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Yes, my thoughts exactly. LVA is the $ guru though, so I am just trying to figure out why he decided to call the crazier one an EDS. Only thing I can think of is the PL fields...
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This "My Opinion" while looking at my 1891 O V-19.
As the die collapsed, the outer shell of the die became more work hardened and stretched giving it the appearance of being proof like. And looking at what I see and an EDS the fields are far less "distorted" looking at the V-19 there is NO WAY to polish this die flat with out removing a great deal of the reliefs in the die. And just striking more coins would not make this die look better in the traditional way.
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Right, thanks for confirming my suspicion Russ. Not sure if I should email Leroy regarding this or just let it go, but I am with you that the "EDS" likely came after the "LDS" in this case, where LVA called the later die state "EDS" due to reflectivity.
The coin is @PCGS right now and I am hoping for a 58 PL :) Once it comes back I will get some better photos. In the meantime I hope to find more "over-polished" reverse varieties.
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