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Pillar of the Community
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I wonder what makes the mint think that people will accept these dollar coins when they refuse to remove the paper notes? What will the mint do with the billions of these dollar coins sitting in government vaults?
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 United States
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The mint is not thinking anything. They just do what they are told. Congress needs to kill the one dollar note, then the billions of these dollar coins sitting in government vaults will circulate. Until then, they will just sit. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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If we look at the countries who have discontinued their smallest coin denominations, as our friends to our immediate North have done, you will notice that there is virtually no complaint from anyone. Especially when those coins cost more to produce than their face value. Perhaps a few miners who produce those metals, might be unhappy, but I'd guess those are the only people who would be concerned in the least. However, for those countries who have discontinued their smallest currency denomination, it is not always true that the coins made to replace them have seen much circulation. Regardless of the type (with the possible exception of early examples such as Seated and Bust), the dollar has never circulated well in the United States. Most of the Morgans sat in vaults forever. Peace dollars were a neat present for a grandchild. Ike dollars were saved by the insane (no offense to you, JBuck), although they almost never circulated. Then our line of "new" small dollars that just sit in vaults somewhere and cant be destroyed as it would mess up the accounts big time to melt $100,000,000,000 in coins for a metal value of 12 cents (a SLIGHT exaggeration). Even if the dollar bill is FINALLY discontinued, I'm somewhat doubtful of the number of the "new" dollar coins, stuck in some vault, that would make it to the street. Spend a little time at your favorite convenience store some time and see how many people pay with cash in a place that would certainly seem to be a location where it would be spent. Not many.
Edited by moxking 07/07/2017 11:54 am
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Quote: However, for those countries who have discontinued their smallest currency denomination, it is not always true that the coins made to replace them have seen much circulation. Except, you know, in our immediate North.  Oh, and they have done it twice now.  Quote: Spend a little time at your favorite convenience store some time and see how many people pay with cash in a place that would certainly seem to be a location where it would be spent. Agreed. This is the sad fact. We needed to get rid of the cent and the one dollar note thirty years ago. We are now about ten years into needing to rid ourselves of the nickel. By they time we finally decided to do these things, we will be asking ourselves, "Why do we need any coins at all?" 
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
I knew my comment about the Ike's would get you out of the weeds 
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 I know my Ikes are an acquired taste. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks for the clarification Conder about the Walmart plan only being one month. Interesting - one Walmart could not get enough and the one I was near was stuck with them  Also I mean to correct an error - when I made the statement of Walmart being stuck with the coins my words were: Quote: I was always under the impression (and may be wrong) that this is why Wal Mart stopped the program - they were stuck with the coins like they had been the SBAs I did not mean Walmart ever did a distribution of the SBAs although the wording sounds like that. I meant that I remember seeing SBAs sitting in side trays of cashiers all over and no one wanted them. I was told that at least the government found a good use for them eventually - Baltimore subway tokens. I have a feeling (and mind because of the wasted lack of forsight/cost in making them in the first place) that the Presidential dollar coins in storage will someday just become a good source of srap metal for some other government project. Except for people on this forum, I have not found anyone who likes them or wants to use them. I think it is too late for the dollar coins. Canada did it (not with citizen approval for the most part as testified in other threads on this subject) back when their dollar still could buy a decent amount. And, then again, for some odd reason Canadians always used 2.00 bills as readily as 1.00 bills - so it seems they are a bit more open to variety. As to getting rid of the penny - the Canadian cent was missed by many ( threads available + the commemorative coins made about the penny), but I think more for nostalgia and sentiment. We do have a thread of "rounding stories" (or some such wording) on the Canadian forum here. And really, if you think our cent is worthless - remember the Canadian one is typically worth about 20-25% less than a US cent. I don't like the idea of dumping the US cent - but not for any logical reason at all. It should be done. So would all gas stations, instead of having prices per gallon such as $2.10 choose to go down to $2.05 or up to $2.15? I think I know. Hmmm. PA state tax... would it go from .06 on a dollar down to a nickel, or up to .10 per dollar spent? I think I can answer that one also.
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Quote: Hmmm. PA state tax... would it go from .06 on a dollar down to a nickel, or up to .10 per dollar spent? I think I can answer that one also. Ugh.  Once again, someone is confusing cents with percents.  Charleston, SC used to have an 8.5% sales tax (it just went to 9% this year). We have no Half Cent. If that worked, then having no cent works.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You know one thing about money in the 21st Century is that my money including coins hit the bank electronically. My bills are paid via internet or electronic debit. I never even see coins or bills unless I just get out a few hundred bucks to just line my wallet so I feel like I have "Walking Around Money". Actual physical money is going the way of the Dodo bird.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4870 Posts |
The thing is that cash is still king. You can still use it when a stores credit/debit machines are down and they won't take your plastic. If you only use a card then you would be out of luck.
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 United States
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Quote: You know one thing about money in the 21st Century is that my money including coins hit the bank electronically. My bills are paid via internet or electronic debit. I never even see coins or bills unless I just get out a few hundred bucks to just line my wallet so I feel like I have "Walking Around Money". Actual physical money is going the way of the Dodo bird. This is true. We may not live to see it, but cash will likely be gone in the next generation or two. Quote: You can still use it when a stores credit/debit machines are down and they won't take your plastic. Possible, but not always. I have had stores close on me when that happened. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I personally think that cash is great and should always be around, but having a denomination so small that it takes 100 to buy a drink is idiotic. The only reason the cent is around is because the zinc lobby won't let it go away. Time for America to put its' interests before a zinc companies profit. The penny isn't even a good coin. Zinc cents corrode and get ugly in record time.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: However, for those countries who have discontinued their smallest currency denomination, it is not always true that the coins made to replace them have seen much circulation. Really? Other than the US where has it failed? Quote: So would all gas stations, instead of having prices per gallon such as $2.10 choose to go down to $2.05 or up to $2.15? They would probably still continue to price it to the cent and then round the final purchase figure to the nearest five cents. Quote: Hmmm. PA state tax... would it go from .06 on a dollar down to a nickel, or up to .10 per dollar spent? No reason for it to change at all.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Once again, someone is confusing cents with percents. jbuck, I should have been more clear: My reasoning is that at present, if I buy something at the Dollar Store prices at .99, then at the register the price goes up to 1.05 because the state gets .06 tax If there is no penny to be spent, I see this as an opportunity similar to the one the PA state recently applied when gas prices dropped drastically - they added more tax (we pay .58 cents to the state per gallon - PLUS the federal tax - which puts it up to .76! per gallon) rather than letting people enjoy the cuts. I can see the PA State deciding its a good idea to hike the prices up to .10 per dollar spent based on the above Dollar store scenario. My fault for lack of explaining my thinking. Again, I think the penny, logically, should be gotten rid of since they won't implement a new, devalued system. For obvious reasons with the above, cited gas fiasco, I suspect I know what the PA state government will do. Quote: This is true. We may not live to see it, but cash will likely be gone in the next generation or two. I guess within two generations of people not caring about being tracked in everything they do that personal credit card taking devices might be the norm. Flea markets, garage sales etc. taking plastic - glad I won't be there to see it. I owe nothing to a CC company and I never want to.
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Edited by Earle42 07/08/2017 10:31 am
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Quote: I owe nothing to a CC company and I never want to. I pay my bill in full every month. 
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