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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I let the pit bull have the run of the house when I'm not home.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I have never had anything stolen from any house I have lived in during the whole of my life (over 70 years). Nevertheless I was in Europe for 3 months recently, and so I left all of my most valuable coins with a next door neighbor. He has quite a lot of valuable items things such as high powered bikes and cars, and even two working (but transportable) electron microscopes. He has never had anything stolen from his house in 40 years, either. I do have a very small safe with only the most valuable coins stored in it. My father made it out of 1/4 plate steel, it has 90 kg of lead in it, and is bolted internally to the floor. It has a nondescript corrugated cardboard box covering it, to hide it. About 95% of my collection (about 4,500 coins), does not have any security storage at all. It is a working collection, which I refer to daily, and it would be very inconvenient to have them under security storage. None of my numismatic library of about 200 references is under security storage, either. I find it a bit mystifying and disappointing as to why a lot of the rest the World otherwise has a need to be so corrupt or dishonest.  That is why I never do on line financial transactions, and have never had a credit card. I use bank secure systems to do significant financial transactions for me, which is very rarely. I pay all utility bills in cash at the post office.
Edited by sel_69l 12/07/2018 7:52 pm
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Pillar of the Community
5464 Posts |
Probably something you don't see much of in Canada or Australia. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2023 Posts |
I'd like to see more answers to the actual question the OP asked:
"Discounting theft or other forms of civil unrest... What do you do when the authorities knock on your door and give you 5-15 minutes to evacuate... Is your collection in the list of material possessions you would stuff into the trunk of your car?"
Guns and dogs don't help here.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3479 Posts |
I'm safety deposit box guy. But in the rare instances where I have to transport my coins to shows or other places, I transform into a Sig Sauer guy.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10038 Posts |
I am thankful I do not, and never have lived in an area where authorities have a legit excuse to impose an alleged mandatory evacuation (hurricanes, fires, etc). I say "alleged" b/c (although I would likely be smart and evacuate if it was suggested) I have read online where mandatory evacuations in the US cannot be enforced from several standpoints including lack of personnel to enforce it during such an event like a hurricane, wild fires etc.
With that out of the way, I am left with saying a safe deposit box houses anything of real value, and for what things I currently am working on that are home, my house is occupied 365 24/7. My friends Winchester, Remington, Stevens, Marlin, Ithica, Sear & Roebuck (believe it or not!), Smith & Wesson, and High Point are always handy...with one being especially so.
Of course the large dog might help also.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: "Discounting theft or other forms of civil unrest... What do you do when the authorities knock on your door and give you 5-15 minutes to evacuate... Is your collection in the list of material possessions you would stuff into the trunk of your car?" Sitting here now, I would say yes, what I have on hand might get stuffed in the car if a worst case scenario happened. In the heat of the moment, I don't know if I would think of it however.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
 Quote: The most valuable coins are all in various safety deposit boxes, in three different bank vaults Exact same for me.
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Pillar of the Community
  Canada
665 Posts |
Thanks all for the insight. I was hoping to get into a discussion of the "bug out bag" rather than a response to theft. Whether Rottweiler, Glock or the like they are insignificant when faced with a rising river, tidal surge or forest fire. @Earle42 Quote: I do not, and never have lived in an area where authorities have a legit excuse to impose an alleged mandatory evacuation You are fortunate... A couple of years ago we were within 15 minutes of getting a "leave now" order due to a close fire. Fortunately it was small and it was early enough in the year that the forest was still wet enough that it did not develop quickly and the firefighters were able to knock it down before it endangered any lives or property... BTW, it is my experience when someone knocks on the door and there is a red glow behind them, you tend not to question the legitimacy or legality of their evacuation order. With more urban dwellers living in the path of fire, flood, weather or earthquake. I was wondering if your collection is in a location to survive a catastrophic event. The reason for the question is not just the enjoyment of the hobby but the fact that many long term collectors have a fair amount tied up in their collections... at least if threads related to inheritance (to or from) are to be noted. Other forms of net worth are protected in other forms... Real Estate can be insured, Stocks, bonds, and other investments can be stored by brokerage accounts and backed up by myriad electronic representations but that MS-63 1948 Silver Dollar is a fixed and tangible item. When destroyed... it is gone and most insurance does not cover coin collections. At one point, I would have said that a bank safety deposit box would have been suffice but seeing what Katrina did to New Orleans or what the fires did to Paradise, CA I have to wonder if even these options are safe. Of course, in the face of any imminent disaster, the safety and security of loved ones and neighbours is paramount, quickly followed by pets or livestock; Things while a source of enjoyment are quite far down the list of priorities. That said, at some point when all other priorities are addressed, your collection gets some attention. Personally, I keep my higher value items in the same place and could move them to the trunk of the car in minutes. Loading all of my collection would take too long and may jeopardize life and limb... an unacceptable trade off. I am not sure whether it is possible to construct a safe that is both sufficiently fire resistant and water resistant that will allow a forest fire or flood to occur without damaging the contents and still have a sufficiently hospitable environment that silver and copper would not suffer toning or other oxidization effects. Remember slabbed coins (ICCS soft slabs are probably worse) will melt if exposed to too high a heat... Any suggestions... other than to only worry about what you can control 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I live in a high crime rate area. We don't have massive fires. no hurricanes, hardly ever any kind of Earth quake, an occasional tornado, never any flooding, not even hits from Meteors. Just lots of crime. Never had any calls for evacuations. So people around me just don't worry about same things as others however, it appears we all have something to worry about with our valuables. With me I mainly worry about no one to leave it all to. Not even a relative living near me to grab it all in case something happens to me. I have always thought my entire collection would simply end up in a banks dumping place for coins. Imagine someone opening a roll of coins from a bank and finding all FSB Mercury dimes. As far as protecting it all, mostly the expensive stuff is in safe deposit boxes. Yest if no one in the future claims them, more just stuff a bank has to get rid of. Things like this have lately made me think of going to a coin show and selling every thing for almost face value just to not have to worry anymore.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:I live in a high crime rate area. We don't have massive fires. no hurricanes, hardly ever any kind of Earth quake, an occasional tornado, never any flooding, not even hits from Meteors. Just lots of crime. Never had any calls for evacuations. So people around me just don't worry about same things as others however, it appears we all have something to worry about with our valuables. With me I mainly worry about no one to leave it all to. Not even a relative living near me to grab it all in case something happens to me. I have always thought my entire collection would simply end up in a banks dumping place for coins. Imagine someone opening a roll of coins from a bank and finding all FSB Mercury dimes. As far as protecting it all, mostly the expensive stuff is in safe deposit boxes. Yest if no one in the future claims them, more just stuff a bank has to get rid of. Things like this have lately made me think of going to a coin show and selling every thing for almost face value just to not have to worry anymore. Thanks for articulating (with the exception of no tornado's) my exact thoughts and situation. I misunderstood the gist of this thread. I would never anticipate authorities knocking on my door and give you 5-15 minutes to evacuate. My greatest fear; home invasion or robbery. Welcome to New York. Back to the original question: How do I protect my collection? Dog, home alarm, handgun, a five foot gun safe for the coins. Not necessarily that order.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: My friends Winchester, Remington, Stevens, Marlin, Ithica, Sear & Roebuck (believe it or not!), Smith & Wesson, and High Point are always handy...with one being especially so. High Point? Come on now... 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
747 Posts |
Ruger, Marlin, Remington, and a camera. Yup, camera. I have everything of value documented well with pics and everything is insured, even the stuff in the bank safe. So, in case of leave now or swim, burn, etc, I grab the only thing I really consider of high value, my wife. The rest, insurance baby! Everything else can be replaced, it's only money. My coin collection is pale compared to my art collection, it would be impossible to pick it all up to move in a hurry. Break into my house to steal, well, whatever the dogs leave, I can dig a deep hole.
Edited by NDBirdman 12/09/2018 8:58 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: @Earle42 Quote: I do not, and never have lived in an area where authorities have a legit excuse to impose an alleged mandatory evacuation
You are fortunate... A couple of years ago we were within 15 minutes of getting a "leave now" order due to a close fire. Fortunately it was small and it was early enough in the year that the forest was still wet enough that it did not develop quickly and the firefighters were able to knock it down before it endangered any lives or property... Its not really about being fortunate for me. I just have planned ahead. If I was in a disaster prone area I would move. Granted I have been where tornadoes have been know to come every once in awhile, but that, to me, is not the same as living in an area where there are regular threats from hurricanes, forest fires, floods, etc. Quote: BTW, it is my experience when someone knocks on the door and there is a red glow behind them, you tend not to question the legitimacy or legality of their evacuation order. To me its just a natural part of life knowing what the authorities can and cannot do despite a flashing light. Don't take that as I am some sort of rebel, its just that in the not so recent past the US was going through people not knowing where the actual line for authority is drawn. So I try my best to know what is and is not allowed. I thoroughly respect and support our local law enforcement officers and have friends who are/have been officers of the law in different capacities. In fact when this thread mentioned a mandatory evacuation I did some more homework to find out if that is Constitutional in the States. I also remember hearing of people who have died b/c they have refused to leave their homes despite official warnings. From what I read online some States say they make such a thing mandatory, but from what I read, there are no arrests (just threats) for ignoring the "mandatory" evacuation. Besides that, the people who ignore it probably, and sadly, end up victims of the disaster anyway. Quote:High Point? Come on now... Never saw or heard of them before encountering one in a store. I went home and checked youtube where I saw videos of people going to insane measures to make High Points fail/blow up, etc., instead, like the youtubers, I ended up being amazed at how hardy these very inexpensive (and ugly!) plumbum ejectors are. One even took a direct shot to its magazine and kept working! And hey...my coin collection also approved of the purchase since the money saved went towards a couple nice additions including a 1998-D Matte finish Kennedy half 
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Edited by Earle42 12/09/2018 10:30 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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@Earle42 The way I've come to understand it, there is no formal punishment for disobeying a mandatory evacuation order. But they make sure you understand, (and in some cases sign a contract) that if you don't leave now, no emergency responders will be sent to help you. Thus preventing unnecessary government casualties and spending.
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