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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's over my pay grade. I'll wait for coop.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like the most extreme Ridge Ring to me. DDD. What is the color? Is it a dark brown, or gray? Hard to tell from the images. If the coin was altered, it didn't affect the reverse rim. Is the highest point of the motto gray? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Is the diameter normal? Thanks, Doug.
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Pillar of the Community
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The color is normal like any other coins the scale, diameter and weigh is normal too. These effected area very smooth, the finish color is not change and rounded. That why it make me think it is not PSD. I have seen too many PSD but for sure this one is not. The Surface of ABE is very smooth and clean no way naturally PSD could damaged like that cause the actual height of the rim is flatten down and It would damage the ABE surface. I do not know what is this but it is not PSD.   Edited by Bate
04/16/2019 12:50 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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 with coop. Ridge rim seems most likly, but odd as the rest of the coin looks MDS |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1937 Posts |
Look closely to these pics you can tell very smooth surface..even the die crack show all the way to the rounded rim..  Look at this    _ I think this may be a "CUPPED A broadstrike is a coin that is struck out-of-collar and in which the design is complete on both faces. Most broadstrikes expand in the horizontal plane, but some will show cupping. Cupping can affect the entire perimeter of the coin or only part of the perimeter. Cupping is almost always toward the hammer die.The cause of cupping is not entirely clear. Sometimes it's guided by a stiff collar that is just barely deployed above the level of the anvil die. But in many cases there is nosource of physical guidance. That is the case for the two 1999 cents shown below" error-ref.com  Edited by Bate
04/16/2019 1:23 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I thought Broadstrike is struck out of the collar. Increased diameter would reflect that as seen on error-ref's example. It is odd, but wondering if a whack or two with a 3/4" OD pipe could produce this effect?  Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st
04/16/2019 1:56 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I looked again Bate and my conclusion is still Post Strike Damage ( PSD). It's just not possible for this to happen at the U.S. Mint. Sorry. Also, it's not a Broadstrike. Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1937 Posts |
Thanks for your opinion E-n-V, For sure it is not Broadstrike but it is not PSD IMHO |
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Valued Member
United States
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I also believe this coin has been damaged post Mint, possibly it was pressed face-down into a cylinder or heavily polished. There is no way for the a strike to cause weak details all around the perimeter on one side with the reverse fully struck.
Sean
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1937 Posts |
seanqueue if it is heavy polish why the surface have a same color and polishing surface has no sign of discolor.Look at this pic and tell me if PSD will naturally cause this ? it is raise and the color around is the same..You do not see a rough surface. If it naturally damage it would show when the coin is mashed down rounded like this..Weak strike maybe? Edited by Bate
04/16/2019 3:39 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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As I said in my reply, you cannot have a weak strike on one side only. If the planchet were thinner around the rim, then you would see both sides weakly struck and metal flow towards the rim.
The thickness of the rim under the bust and by LIBERTY is the most telling, there is no way for the rim to become distended and move closer to the design during the minting process, that metal was moved after the strike.
As far as the toning is concerned, the coin is 45 years old, it could have been damaged in the late 1970s and spent the next 40 years acquiring the color you see now.
Sean
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree that the obverse displays post-strike damage. Any time you're confronted by a sloping perimeter on one face and a normal perimeter on the opposite face, you can rest assured that the coin's been damaged or intentionally altered. I wrote a Coin World column on this type of damage some years back. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Good analysis seanqueue
Looks like you were almost bang on.
We will probably never know what actually caused
the damage unless you were there.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1937 Posts |
Thanks for all the of Masters for very helpful and educated answers. One last request. Could you give some Ideas how it damaged like this?   |
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