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February 2020 RCM Releases

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 Posted 01/28/2021  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list

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I have to say that I think the RCM is doing a good job re: its Moments to Hold collections. It's picking themes with wide appeal and creating a very solid easy-entry (i.e., inexpensive) collection for folks.


Yikes, very expensive silver! Does anyone have recent stats for the actual/final mintage of these "100,000 mintage" products? I see the inexpensive products everywhere - PO, grocery stores, Shoppers, etc., and they seem to sit around there until the next batch is available. What happens to everything that does not sell?
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 Posted 01/28/2021  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

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Yikes, very expensive silver!

I don't view this type of coin as a way to invest in silver. (In general, I don't view non-circulating legal tender (NCLT) coins to be a good precious metal investment.)

To me, the coins in the Moments to Hold series are a low-cost way - just $25 CAD - to get folks interested in collecting modern coins and to extend their interests beyond what can be pulled from circulation. IMO, the coins have appealing themes and are well-executed. For me, they work!


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 Posted 01/28/2021  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list

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I don't view this type of coin as a way to invest in silver.

NCLT, with one exception, should not be used to invest in a precious metal. Purchase and collect because it means something or moves you... NCLT is not an investment. There is an argument that even bullion coins such as ASE or Maple Leaf bullion issues are not the ideal PM investment... When investing, you want to purchase the item at the lowest price possible and for most PMs that is in bar form. When you look at the spread between purchase and sell, the spread tends to be least on bars. A local and reputable bullion dealer has the spread on 1oz Gold ML at $98CAD and 1oz Gold Bars at $95CAD using today's quotes.

There are examples of NCLT gaining in value but to be clear this is pure speculation, not investing... For every Pysanka or UFO or Ladybird there are tens of releases that fall in value after issue.

The one exception I noted above is where the purchase price of the NCLT has dropped to the point where it is equivalent to bullion... then the NCLT falls into the bullion classification... or less if it isn't pure. An example of this is the Gold $100 from the '70s and '80s were all issued at a then premium price but the appreciation in the value of gold over the intervening 30-40 yrs has the market value for these coins... for the most part... matching their bullion equivalent.


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What happens to everything that does not sell?

It gets melted. It is the advantage the RCM has over the grocery store. When bread doesn't sell, it is disposed of; silver and gold can be melted and put into the next year's product offerings. I also know of LCS who will send NCLT out to melt after it has sat on the shelf for too long.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcadon to your friends list
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It gets melted. It is the advantage the RCM has over the grocery store


I believed that was the policy a few years back, but more recently, I have often seen "found in the vault" or "Back in Stock" sales that I believe are the last effort to unload some of the NCLT that hasn't sold during their year of issue.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

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I believed that was the policy a few years back, but more recently, I have often seen "found in the vault" or "Back in Stock" sales that I believe are the last effort to unload some of the NCLT that hasn't sold during their year of issue.

While this may be true, it just delays the melting of unsold coins, it doesn't prevent it. For many RCM coins, there are some that remain unsold after every effort is expended - these are removed from their packaging and sent to be melted.


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 Posted 01/29/2021  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list
The mint doesn't always produce the amount required for total allocation.. Say the coin is meant to be limited to 5,000.. they may do the coin in runs, depending on the demand..
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 Posted 02/01/2021  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onecad to your friends list
We're in crazy times, I when to the CIBC site today and they are selling silver bars for $72/oz, likely $90 to have it in hand. Better off buying NCLT coins from the mint.
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 Posted 02/01/2021  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeyMouse to your friends list
I bank with CIBC but I find that TD has better prices for bullion.
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 Posted 02/02/2021  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list

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I when to the CIBC site today and they are selling silver bars for $72/oz


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I bank with CIBC but I find that TD has better prices for bullion.


While not a PM thread, I just looked at the bank PM sites today and their prices are nutz. CIBC is charging $63.18 and TD $52.37 for a 1 oz Silver Maple Leaf. A bullion dealer here in Vancouver vbce.ca/metals is charging $42.36. If this pricing is indicative, I would never purchase PM at a bank.
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 Posted 02/02/2021  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list
Also LCS are closed right and they usually have good prices.
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 Posted 02/02/2021  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChuckB to your friends list
I read that the Reddit group that pumped up game Stop and AMC stocks, were trying to do the same with silver this week, which explains the price increase.

As was stated earlier, crazy times
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 Posted 02/02/2021  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcadon to your friends list
I think what they have been doing is taking their profits out of Gamestop and reinvesting in silver, thus driving silver to crazy territory. Can you imagine the next update on NCLT from the mint, if bullion stays above $50/oz?
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 Posted 02/03/2021  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
I think the RCM did a great job with the engraving for the dies of the "Archival Treasures: 1912 Heraldic Design" coins (gold and silver). They are each beyond what I collect, but their design and level of detail are outstanding! (IMO)

I think the design on the commemorative reverse of "The Black Loyalists" $20 silver coin also works well - it is reasonably faithful to the original Armorial Bearings of the Black Loyalists Heritage Society. It's an attractive piece. (IMO)

I guess you could say that I'm a fan of heraldry on coins!


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 Posted 02/03/2021  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list

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I guess you could say that I'm a fan of heraldry on coins


Notable by absence is a comment on the 1st Moments to Hold 1/4 oz $5 Silver coin. It is commemorating the 100th Anniversary of the Coat of Arms of Canada (very similar to 50c). Safe to say you are not a fan of that one even though it is much more accessible?

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 Posted 02/03/2021  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

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Notable by absence is a comment on the 1st Moments to Hold 1/4 oz $5 Silver coin.

I mentioned my liking of the new Moments to Hold coin earlier in the thread - didn't want to repeat myself. But "Yes!" I do like it and believe it a very nice collectible coin!





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