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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The colour is throwing me off, is this the actual colour of the coin? The area in question appears raised, is this the case? I think a basic cell phone shot with natural light would be helpful here. I can't think of any sort of mine error that would have this effect. I think a Rim Fin wound more noticeable over top the devices, some of this looks incuse and some looks raised. If possible add full shots of the font and back of the coin please. Based on the current photos it looks more like coin wrapping machiene damage.
Edited by Wrekkdd 06/14/2022 12:39 am
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Moderator
 United States
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Die attrition? John1 
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Moderator
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Quote: Die attrition care to expand on that one, John1? please?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19217 Posts |
Die attrition vs. dietician...
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Valued Member
 United States
114 Posts |
WREKKDD .. Pay no attention to the color, It's my lighting. The area in question is not raised, it is all incuse. I can't give you a cell phone picture, mine is a very cheap phone and doesn't take good pictures. Also, I'm sure that it is not a Rim Fin defect or Coin Wrapping Machine error.. Full coin pictures will be upcoming soon. JOHN1 .. Thanks for that address, it will come in handy in the future for me. It might be die attrition. SPENCE .. I'm sure that it is not a Dryer Coin, the reedlng is fully intact. Keep the comments coming guys, they are greatly appreciated.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7516 Posts |
I agree with john1 on die attrition.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Note on some areas, the typical flatten 90 degree angle is seen from Machine Doubling is present. On other areas it appears below the fields. (meaning the edge of the die raised on the area, (the opposite on the coin is a lowering. That is what happened to this die) So some die damage be present. Possible contact with the collar may have affected just that one area. If the metal would have been raised on the coin to the rim, then that would indicate that the outside edge of the die was polished on that area. (which is not the case here) But none of this has to do with die creation. Die events (life of the die doing it job) have altered this die. The next die polishing will rescue this die and it will be continued to be used. Not a premium for this, the only advantage if the why it happened on this coin. Now you can more forward with this information so you will know the answer on the next coin like it. CoopHome: Do all die events have a premium? Why Not?
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thanks COOP, I've been waiting for your input on this coin. Greatly appreciated. I can't say that I completely understand everything that you said. I'm a newbie to coin collecting. Are you saying that you don't think that it is die attrition? I can't see any Machine Doubling. Not that I would really recognize it if I did see it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Die attrition is when the collar wears off part of the outside edge of the die:  Note the outside of the die has removed part of the design from the dies surface area. Note on your coin none of the devices are affected, just the outside of the fields are affected. While interesting, it is just a die event. You might save it for an educational piece to show to a new collector? Put it in a large tub and make it "Show and tell" for new collectors you run into. Having something to show and tell them what it is, will save you a lot of words. seeing is understanding. Save different non collectables for just such purposes. Images are also a help as well. Something to spice up a conversation.
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Just curious - does the inner portion of the obverse come off? (magicians coin?)
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Valued Member
 United States
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OK, so then it is not die attrition because the rim is undamaged. Now I understand that. Now what causes the incusive groove more than 3/4 of the way around the circumference inside of the rim with some of the lettering stamped right into parts of the groove? That confuses me. Thank you for your opinions and the schooling that they are giving me. Please define what you are referring to as a die event.
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Valued Member
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Down on the rim below the word 'QUQRTER' looks damaged, could it by chance that someone tried to peal the cladding off the top? I'm just guessing here now... 
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