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What Creates A Fin On A Coin? What Is A Fin?

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What creates a fin on a coin?
No this is not a thread about fish, or a swim fin, but a fin on a coin. LOL
I know this information is on the images also. But they can point you in the right direction when your figuring what this is. So lets look at some example to see what they are first.
Fins can be strong, but most of the time they are thin looking and flatten very easily. Here is a strong one:

Here is the normal type you'll usually find:











So this sounded like it was going to be a tough subject. But with explanations and images and simulations, it makes it a lot easier to under stand. Just keep the ones with the thin fin and the strong ones that appear they have not been flattened. Most of these will probably not be keeper, but keep on the look out for the good ones.
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Good demonstration Coop! It was pretty easy to understand.
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Very helpful post! Thanks.
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Thank you for the knowledge!
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Will it also create a thin coin at the opposite side from the fin, or a weak strike on the same side as the fin ?

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I'm not sure on that, but that thought came by me when I created this thread. But if you look at a roll of tube cents, that would explain why so many are thinner on one side.
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Coop as always well explained cause and effect concerning rim fins.

Adding more food for thought. After researching rim anomilies some time back. It seems I often see the Rim Fin and folded rin fin description misused for other causes showing a doubled (sometimes more) rim. I'm under the impression rim fins fall into the double and false rim category. Other causes can produce a somewhat similar effect. https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...tances.html#

One effect thats kept me pondering is the collar clash. More specifically a die clash with a non reeded collar. When a reeded collar clash is present, its seems to be raised on the coin and visually evident. When a non-reeded collar clash is present it visually resembles a raised fin. You rarely if ever see collar clash mentioned when a non-reeded collar was in use. Unless major die attrition is evident its typically labeled a fin.

Another thing to keep in mind is Wide Collar issues. This results in a larger than normal gap between the die(s) and collar as well. https://www.error-ref.com/wide-collar/

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Will it also create a thin coin at the opposite side from the fin, or a weak strike on the same side as the fin ?

When a coin seems abnormally thin or thick, I give it a bit more attention. US Cents are notorious for fluctuation in thickness. Modern day cents specs should be 1.52mm thick, but sometimes even the rolling of the stock material can fluctuate in thickness and show a difference from one edge to the other on the end product. Thanks, Doug.
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On the collar clashes, the die outer edge touches the collar. Leaving those lines on the die. When coins are struck, the damaged outside edge of the die leaves the lines on the rim area of the strike:
https://www.error-ref.com/collar-clash/
Check out the images a ways down. You can see the damage on the outside edge of the die
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Side note of my trying to describe a non-reeded collar clash. Seems only reeded collar clash examples get illustrated. https://www.error-ref.com/collar-clash/ Thanks, Doug.
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If the dies are run to long with the die rubbing on the outside edge, it wears the edge off and creates attrition.
]https://www.error-ref.com/?s=attrition

Note how the rim is moved closer to the devices?















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I eluded to die attrition in my previous reply. That seems to be a definitive collar issue regardless if it stems from a non-reeded collar or a reeded collar die wear issues. Some examples suggest a potential raised Rim Fin as well.

What if a non-reeded collar clashed with a die occurred or was initiated prior to the major die attrition stage? To me it would seem to results in a raised impression along the periphery of the working dies design rim. Hence another potential looking Rim Fin. Thanks, Doug.
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Thanks, very informative description.
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