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@Saturn.... Trust me, I get it. Awhile back, I pulled nearly a full roll of exceptional condition '74 D's out of a bank box. In my biased opinion, I believe a couple of them (potentially) have a shot at.... 67, 67+ or "wishfully" a 68. Unfortunately my photography skills are in dire need of improvement, or I would have already posted pics in the grading section of the forum for the pros to give their opinions. Having a top-pop slabbed coin (a coin I actually found myself) is on my bucket-list.
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I'm thinking that the carbon spots didn't make the grade. Also I see a few very tiny rim dings. It's a very nice cent none-the-less.
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03/22/2023 4:30 pm
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first you cant grade or assess using TV photos. second when you get above 67 every minute flaw counts including any coloration changes in the fields which we cant assess here. just the carbon spots on the reverse would keep it out of 68 and 69 is pretty much a pipe dream and a lottery hit to find one. so 67 is the right grade. could it qualify for CAC bean? we would have to see in hand photos rather than these to determine that
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To hit the 69 grades you have to slip a few hundred under it for the graders - or at least take them to dinner and a bar. They intentionally keep the highest grades down. That's only for the high rollers.  Here's what I see: - Some obverse field disturbances above LIBERTY. - The cheek and beard have strike weakness, the planchet lines are clearly visible. - The reverse carbon spot is very distracting on an otherwise perfectly struck reverse. Solely based on these pictures, I like this coin as a 68 myself. Other than some light planchet lines and the spot it's a beauty. The other 67's I looked at paled in comparison IMO. You need to have a conversation with CC member grospoison. He has even more sob stories with PCGS.  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Quote:I went on ebay and say ms67 that are horrific compared to mine. I guess I have to quit grading. This is how you learn - don't give up.  Just remember though, the tuition at the school of PCGS is high.  |
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first you cant grade or assess using TV photos. second when you get above 67 every minute flaw counts including any coloration changes in the fields which we cant assess here.  A TPG grader friend showed me a what I thought to be a completely flawless coin. He pointed out one tiny device nick around 0.1 mm long and said he'd 69 it for that. I told him he's an &$^#*#*.  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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03/22/2023 9:11 pm
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As stated, you lucked out with a 67.
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Agree, I don't see this one higher than a 67RD.
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I still think it depends on the "personal" experience at that time, that day, circumstances of the grader ... one just hopes that integrity remains at the forefront of all graders.
Without your pics to compare, its hard to have an opinion on the photographic issues.
Keep having fun !
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I still think that the professionals who work at TPG know their job and evaluate the coins correctly. I hate coin sellers who write "undervalued" MS 65, MS64, etc. The person held this coin in his hands, he saw all its pros and cons live, and the offended seller shouts that he sees 1-2 points more there. It annoys me. I don't want to offend anyone, but I just think that a professional is a professional because he knows his business. Edited by Slerk
03/24/2023 05:01 am
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I just think that a professional is a professional because he knows his business. they may know their business however there are tons of coins not graded properly. this can be confirmed by resubs where the grades are changed. they are not infallible and there is no way that a grader can know everything about grading every series and the nuances for every series such as die polishing, strike and die matching etc. plus the fact that they only have a couple minutes to assess a coin, if that ,and move on to the next one. i am not convinced that graders and series are matched. I think whomever is up next gets the next coin. just my opinion. if you luck out and get a match with the right grader the grade imo would be more accurate. |
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You need to have a conversation with CC member grospoison. He has even more sob stories with PCGS. Thad is right! It's easier to scrutinize a coin when you take the time to study it for awhile. If I am given correct information the TPGS do these coins in under a minute.. it's almost two years I have been religiously been studying how to grade. IMHO pictures never seem to look like the coin in hand (color included) I am referring to TRUEVIEW pictures from PCGS. I have two sources to determine the approximate grade of a coin. First the CCF and second the pictures of actual coins already graded by PCGS. When comparing the coin I have in hand to a picture of a 67 or 68, it seems I can spot a flaw on most pictured coins. The one thing that sticks out is the fact that over 50% of high grade coins (Lincolns) have some type of toning that appeals to graders. more so than how well a coin survived the minting process. If PCGS is continually looking to hire new graders and the process being subjective then what's a 67 or 68 to one grader may not be the same as another grader. I for one value a coin on it's survival from the mint all the way to us not so much on the environment it was stored in.. There are limits to my statements though. In the end it's a crap shoot. |
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