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Bedrock of the Community
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weak strike on Peace dollars is quite common. I think TPG's take this into consideration. at least I hope they would. the glare on the coin can very easily be hiding surface issues. looking close at both sides you can clearly see a delineation line what looks like part of the coin was dipped or cleaned. look across the coin from the L in Liberty to the R. that top 1/4 of the coin looks untouched. below that line the surfaces look much duller. could be lighting but the glare may be hiding what actually would be more prevalent in hand. the pinkish hue across the mid section of the obv has me concerned. you can see this similar look on the reverse. without better photos I'm calling it UNC details (cleaned) if you are interested in it i'd make sure they have a return policy just in c ASE |
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Bedrock of the Community
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She's been dipped and the strike is super soft, but I think the end result would be MS62 if it straight grades.
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Pillar of the Community
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This is the best reprentation of this coin that I can offer you as I see it in my possession. Please feel free to use the provided images and draw circles and arrows and such highlighting the areas that indicate dipping and cleaning so that I waste no one's time here in the future and learn in the process. Or "How to identify a dipped
/cleaned coin. Perhaps Utube has some info on this. I will check and see.
Looks like it is headed to my stack of culls then.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It is a nice coin and I would recommend using your own judgment. If it looks fine to you, then she's a keeper for sure. As to dipping -- one thing that characterizes dipped silver coins is that the luster is "all over" the surfaces instead of a narrow band of cartwheeling, if just briefly dipped, or diluted. The first set of photos you posted has, to me, that appearance in terms of luster. This can also be caused by circulation wear or other surface disturbances. If done too long, silver dip also results in a characteristic chalk-white appearance to the surfaces that washes out most or all of the luster and looks very unnatural. If you have some junk silver, buy a jar of silver dip and try it on a few coins -- dilute at first, and then increasingly strong -- and you'll be able to recognize the patterns and signs that indicate a dip job has been done. Many coins have been dipped, and some are virtually indistinguishable from original Uncirculated coins. Peace dollars were a frequent target for dipping because they tended to develop very unattractive "milk spots" or a dark brown-black toning. Dilute dip was also a remedy for the cloudy white "haze" that affected proof silver coins. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
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On your second set of photos, the coin is showing a green tint. Is the green tint on the coin or is the camera picking up the tint from the background?
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Pillar of the Community
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I think your 2nd set of pics show a true representaion of what she really looks like. In fact...take a look at the 3rd pics of both the obverse and the reverse...see how they reveal the ticky marks in the open fields?
There still seem to be luster on her...but those marks are going to start to take hits against the grade.
I'm calling her a slider of AU-58/MS62
If you send her in...please follow-up with us on the outcome.
smat
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree, latest pics suggest AU-58 to low MS, perhaps 62.
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Agree with Frogs latest post above me.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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Alas, seems that I can finally put this topic to rest. You have all been very helpful and informative. The new images did reveal the hidden scratches and ticks as mentioned earlier.
I am quite OK with AU-58 to possibly MS-62. If I thought it might straight grade in this range, then I might consider grading. But based on suspicion expressed concerning being cleaned/dipped, I am a little hesitant now. It does cartwheel around both sides yet with a bit of distortion.
Again, thanks to all for your having a look and offering
your opinions and combined knowledge. I am a bit wiser now as a result.
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I think it's better than AU. The hit on the nose is distracting and there are a lot of small marks. Luster is a bit subdued. MS-62 is a fair grade here.
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I think it's better than AU. The hit on the nose is distracting and there are a lot of small marks. Luster is a bit subdued. MS-62 is a fair grade here. That is quite reassuring Fenton, thank you. Following the last series of photos I submitted, opinions seemed to shift a bit. My biggest concern was the opinion that this coin has been dipped/cleaned. Being as objective as I could be, I am not convinced this to be so. Those opinions were based on the original photos, yet not retracted after new images were presented. I believe this is remaining mint luster. Although it does not cartwheel like an hourglass, it does follow the2 around the coin. I hesitate to go further if it may come back "Details". Being into it for $50, I may pull the trigger on my first commitment to a TPG after considering so many other coins and not moving forward, using a very reputable LCS to do so after I hear their opinion, which I know is trustworthy. I would gladly trade for an equal value in bullion. I am not a collector but I am sure there is a collector out there that would be happy to have this one. As well as the 1922 D VAM-2N (R-5) I came across. I am not about to start a Peace dollar VAM collection because I have "1". Someone else wants it more than I do and that is where I want these to end up. I figure around 10 Peace dollar culls for the one 1935 @ MS 62. I'm fine with that 10:1  Thanks again. I will let all know where it all ends up. Work makes my time in these matters limited. |
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Work makes my time in these matters limited We/most of us deal with also because that's how we roll too... It's a matter of putting what is in front of us and going from there... Stack high and resonably! smat |
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I'll say MS-62 with all of the photos taken into consideration.
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Bedrock of the Community
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even if it grades straight I dont think grading costs would be a wise decision. it is what it is. there us just a ton of hairlines on the coin.
I'm not seeing anything in the way of circulation but I cant rule out the possibility of a dip. was it over dipped and pull a details designation? I'm not sure but to me the surfaces just dont look 100% intact. just my opinion.
if it grades straight i'd also say MS62
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