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1863 W/L Indian Head Cent

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 Posted 06/17/2023  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
In one word I would say "Speechless". I never stop learning on this site! Thanks for the enlightenment!
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 Posted 06/17/2023  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Excellent '63! If coins could talk...
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 Posted 06/17/2023  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
WOW! that is all, I'm not often speechless but I am on this pattern. Thanks MisterT for giving me a great descriptor.

EDIT: You example is nicer than all the ones I looked up at Heritage, beating out the PR66RD* PR65RD and RB examples, it may have more die polishing lines but the color is much more pleasing and almost none of the distracting spots or discoloration areas like all the others have.
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 Posted 06/18/2023  02:21 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Gorgeous !
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 Posted 06/18/2023  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Centhound1963 to your friends list
Never too old to learn something new. I had no idea there was a '63 with the L on the ribbon. Thanks for the education.
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 Posted 06/18/2023  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list
Thanks for sharing!
Looking fwd to some of your other AMAZING collection!
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 Posted 06/18/2023  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
Thanks everyone! It's a great coin, but the pictures hide a small stain on the chin.

Interesting fact, these were struck well after 1863 as the reverse die comes from the late 1860s. Similar to the 1804 dollar and the 1864 l proof restrikes.
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 Posted 06/18/2023  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Stunning!
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 Posted 06/19/2023  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list
Dearborn- 1864 was a transitional year for Indian heads.

One of those changes was an L was added on the ribbon, for the engraver James Longacre.

There are 1864 No-L (N/L) on ribbons and With-L (W/L) on ribbons.



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 Posted 06/19/2023  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
Also Dearborn,

Since the design change came in 1864 to add the "L", there should have been no "patterns" that had this design.

This coin should be considered to be a "novodel". This coin struck 6-7 years after the date on the coin, it technically should not be considered a Pattern and assigned a Judd number. Likely this was a restrike unauthorized by the government but allowed by Mint Director Henry R Linderman, whom has ties to the striking of the infamous 1804 Class III dollar among other back-dated coins.
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 Posted 06/20/2023  09:56 am  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list
So the coin was made in the late 1860's? Was this a creation of the so-called midnight minter, and I wonder how much he charged for it back in the day? :D
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 Posted 06/20/2023  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
It's widely suspected that it was made at the mint directors order. He was known for creating many fantasy pieces, back-dated coins, and restrikes. As a collector himself, upon his passing the government intervened when his collection was auctioned and pulled rare and questionable origin off metal pieces.

It is possible he was responsible for all the class III 1804 dollars too!
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