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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The clad coins were treated like step children from the getgo.
Bulk silver coins were quickly separated from the clad stuff by just about everyone dealing with change. It was insane times.
My biggest problem was only making about 40 or 50$ a week at Piggly Wiggley as a dumb 16 year old kid that had other things running thru his head besides coins. I tried to save what I could but lack of capital was the limiting factor for me and a lot of other people.
I had an old banker friend from the 70's that told me that with every coin shipment they received from the armored services in 1965/66 they would bring the dime, quarter and half dollar bags into the board room, slit them open and dump the coins out on the table. The directors would spend their meeting time talking about bank business while sorting out the coins silver vs clad.
Those old bankers weren't fooling anybody and had the resources to buy and rathole those silver coins like there was no tomorrow. Those old bankers were strictly business!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2271 Posts |
The whole thing was a disaster but we all knew even in 1962 that it was coming.
In 1964 there was a date freeze and all future coinage was to be dated 1964. This simply killed the coin hobby which had come to rely heavily on BU rolls and mint/ proof sets. If this weren't bad enough when clad came around late in 1965 there was a new date freeze and all future coins would be dated 1965 even though 1964 silver was still in production. The new coins looked like garbage. Initially the new coins were well made but this didn't last at all and they were almost invariably very badly made. Mint and proof sets both were discontinued during this time though the mint eventually relented and made SMS's that nobody liked because they were a PR/ BU hybrid.
Also at this time a bill was introduced in Congress that would make it illegal to even collect modern coins. It was quickly realized the law was unnecessary because the new coins were universally hated. At first the early dates were offered for sale by the roll but there were no buyers and most of the coins went into circulation.
If all this weren't bad enough all the old coins in circulation started disappearing with the nice ones first. So the coin market popped and all the collectible coins in circulation dried up. The hobby began a 30 year long dark ages with almost no new collectors. It was so bad in the mid-'90's that most coins had no real premium except what buyers thought they could junk them for. You could buy things like XF '24-D cents for a couple dollars because there were no buyers for most collector coins. Only the rarities from the 19th century were strong. Almost everything under $1000 was hard to move at all.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19951 Posts |
I was only 2 in 1965 but I remember by father and grandfather talking about looking for silver coins through the 70's. I remember my grandfather plucking silver and Buffalo nickels from circ.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2271 Posts |
I started collecting Buffalo nickels in 1957. In those days there were lots and lots of nice F and better coins. Most of the pre-1927 coins were lower grade and the scarcities had already been removed but you could still find a lot of nice coins. But during the coin shortage everything was getting plucked out. By 1967 F Buffalo nickels were a thing of the past and virtually every pre-1926 was dateless. Most of the circulating buffalos were culls or dateless and most of the others were dated 1935 to 1937. Despite searching more rolls I don't think I added a single coin to my buffalo collection from circulation after about 1964, not even an upgrade. Old timers told me the quality of circulating buffs in circulation began eroding during the war. Better dates had been available in high grade before 1941 but with the country on a war footing everyone was working and had money. By 1957 this had become rather extreme. Older baby boomers were saving coins out as well by this time. But the erosion accelerated very rapidly in 1964/ '65. This affected all denominations. Merc dimes had been distressingly common but even these began disappearing except for slicks and culls. There were still the occasional keeper and even today you can find something interesting from time to time but everything had been picked out by the mid-'70's and if you find something today it's because it got back into circulation, not because it had stayed in circulation.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2003 Posts |
Even through the early 70's it was not uncommon to find 90% silver in change and 40% halves were still in circulation. Unfortunately, much of the hoarded 90% ended up in the melting pot in 1979 when the Hunt Brothers tried to corner the market and silver spiked.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3649 Posts |
I was also 6 in 1965, and I remember my grandfather separating silver quarters and half dollars from his change and putting them in a metal box he'd made. When I started collecting around 1968 it wasn't too unusual to find silver in change, so many holes in my Washington quarter and Roosevelt dime albums were filled that way (my mom and an aunt were treasurers at their churches, and were always watching for silver coins and wheat cents in the collection plate for me!  ). Even well into the '90's 35% silver wartime Jefferson nickels weren't too uncommon to find. They were easy to spot as they were generally very dark, and I think most people just weren't aware they had silver content.
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Valued Member
United States
470 Posts |
Although I was a collector back then, being in high school gave me some higher priorities. I remember my Dad hoarding some silvers (and gave them to my uncle), but to be honest in the early 60s I could still go into stores and ask them if they had any Morgan or Peace dollars and on some occasions struck silver. Starting in 65 I was working in a local Safeway and between 65-69 it was rare, but happened, for a customer to even pay with gold coins, crazy as that sounds, in addition to silver dollars. I was never the recipient of the coins since I was working the register; the shift manager would see it and have me cash it out to him.
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Moderator
 United States
96209 Posts |
I was only 3, but I was getting silver quarters when my baby teeth fell out.. (think Tooth Fairy)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2365 Posts |
My Mom was still collecting in the '60's and she continued to grab silver coins for years after the changeover. She collected whenever she saw them in circulation. I began to get serious about collecting around '65 when I opened my own S&L account and was give a nice UNC Morgan silver dollar from the bank. I have times when I kick back and some times that I get into fast gear. I'm kicking back right now but, like back in the '60's, coins will still be available for a while! 
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
26005 Posts |
My Mom was also collecting in the sixties. She ordered proof sets and uncirculated sets from the mint but most of her collection was coins from circulation. She was well aware of the change in coins and worked harder to find as many silver dimes and quarters as she could. I mentioned before that I was in high school and worked nights at a burger stand. I set aside all of the wheat cents, Buffalo nickels, Mercury dimes and Kennedy half dollars that came in each night and brought them home to her. Those coins were easy to recognize but I didn't have the time to check the dates on all of the regular dimes and quarters.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
997 Posts |
I was a little too young for pulling silver in the 60's, in the late 60's I was getting 25 cents a week allowance and buying candy bars and soda for 5 cents a piece. Later I was getting 50 cents a week and would often buy a roll of pennies and root thru them for Wheaties and the occasional Indian Head. My Dad was a coin collector and taught us all what to look for.
My older sister soon got a part-time job at a bank as a teller in 1970. The bank had a rule where tellers could set aside coins and bills from their till and at the end of the day buy them. She would snag all the silver she found, and there was still quite a bit. While it often took a good chunk out of her paycheck she (along with our parents) considered it a savings method even then. She did this all thru high school and during the summer when in college, going full time after she graduated and got married.
Fast forward a few years when silver prices skyrocketed due to the Hunt Brothers trying to corner the market. She and her husband sold off the hoard and used it to buy a house for their family. The weekend before however my Dad and I sorted thru the silver for specific dates and hole fillers. Silver prices grew a bit after she sold but a month or two later it all crashed, she had gotten out just in the nick of time.
By the end of the 70's the amount of silver in circulation was minuscule in comparison to a decade prior. Aside from the occasional silver dime one rarely saw silver in commerce.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
6559 Posts |
Great stories 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2271 Posts |
The change over was so traumatic that the hobby only began recovering in '95/ '96 when it became apparent that there would be new designs on coins; the State Quarters. This perked up the modern coins and classics recovered a little later and then got a huge boost when baby boomers returned to the market with lots of money to buy the coins they couldn't afford as youngsters. The trauma to the hobby can not be overstated. Even mint marks were removed so there was just nothing in circulation of any interest except a few rare varieties of clads. But all the coins had a sameness about them until well into the 1970's. All the clad was high grade junk and the old coins were common date and worn. Time marched on even though people weren't paying any attention to coins any longer so when the FED and mint started rotating their coin stocks in 1972 it went entirely unnoticed. Now the coins began wearing evenly so early dates began to disappear in high grades. The last of the AU 1969 quarters were gone as early as 1981 and the XF's shortly after that. Most collectors to this day seek the old coins but a nice AU or better 1980 nickel is far scarcer than a '50-D in the same grades. The effects of the date freezes and change-over are still with us to this day and won't go away any time soon. They are still determining the behavior of many collectors. Even mint behavior is affected because like most mints they are issuing large amounts of NCLT to interest collectors. They are still trying to improve quality to old levels. They still avoid tiny production runs of circulation issues.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Valued Member
United States
155 Posts |
Not entirely on topic, but... in the late '70s (my late teens) my mother had roughly a quart-sized baggie full of silver dimes, quarters, halves and dollars. As I recall, the dollars (Morgan & Peace) were older than the rest, which were mostly from the later days of U.S. silver coins (i.e., lots of 1964s). I only recall seeing Washington quarters and Kennedy halves; there may or may not have been Mercury dimes. Supposedly the bulk of these coins came from my paternal grandparents. I'm not sure how my mother got them, given that my father had been out of our lives for some time. But I know my grandparents couldn't have collected all of them, since they both died in early 1963 while silver coins were still being made. So I'm not sure who actually pulled all of the relatively recent coins (particularly the 1964s) out of circulation. At any rate, we decided to sell the whole bag in late 1979 or early 1980, around the time silver prices shot way up. (Until I read this thread today, I'd never heard of the Hunt brothers.) I recall one day in particular when I tried going to various coin stores, and all of them were closed due to the crazy circumstances at the time. Eventually we did get them sold, although I don't know where or for how much. But I soon ended up losing a similar amount of money anyway, in an unrelated situation. I now wish I'd kept the coins, of course -- the non-duplicate ones, anyway.
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Moderator
 United States
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I always enjoy your analysis, cladking. 
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