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 Posted 12/28/2009  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list
Thanks eaglefoot, all's right with the world again. LOL So would it be fair to say on Proof and Mint sets, take 15-20% off the price listed in the RedBook,Silver coins also?

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 Posted 12/28/2009  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Proofs were minted in Philadelphia until 1964 and these coins had no mint mark.

No proofs were minted in 1965-1967.

Staring in 1968, proof mintage resumed for regular coinage (annual proof sets). All of these coins are from San Francisco and have an S mint mark (with the exception of a few errors).

Some special and commemorative proofs are still minted in Philadephia (with a P mint mark) and West Point (with a W mint mark).
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 Posted 12/28/2009  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list
Thanks jbuck, I learned alot of that yesterday. I made a list of all the Proof Sets we have and what the RedBook said the value of each one was. So I am understanding that what they said each was worth is on the high side. I believe I will see what they are selling for on E-Bay and adjust my list. I have to do the same thing for our Mint sets.

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 Posted 12/28/2009  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
As already noted the 2011 Red Book will be out soon. The way they issue a book almost a year in advance should really tell you how reliable the prices are. Probably a dream of one of the publishers or a list given to Whitman at a bar after a Christas party.
Remember that any price for anything in that book is made possibly a few years prior to publishing since it takes time to proof read, gather information on new items, acquire material for those books, then actually publishing them. Even distribution takes time so for all anyone knows the 2010 edition was started in 1948 right after the first edition.
To sum this all up remember that even dealers sell coins for much less or usually do anyway.
One more thing is I give about 10 copies of the ringed version away for Christmas presents each year along with a Uncirculated set from the Mint.
I've commented to the Publishers of Whitman about the silly dates on that book and was told by Dennis Tucker, Publisher of Whitman Books that since the first edition was made in 1946 and introduced as a 1947 Edition, that situation has just continued since then.
Possibly back then no one really knew if there would be a second edition anyway.
As usual the next edition for the 2011 version will probably be out in April, 2011.
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Thank You Carl
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 Posted 12/28/2009  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
If you are a serious collector, and need to "see' the details, on the different coins, I would locate, and but the "professional " RedBook". it shaws images in color, of all the know normal errors, and varietyies, (now 100%), and gives you much more info than the regular RedBook. I have both, and as a variety collector, it comes in very handy for linsoln, and IHC varieties, etc. I don't worry about prices. etc, so they don't HAVE to be current.
I might make a comment: If you are collecting RPM's, in particular, be aware that on the cents, at least, the MM is no longer placed by hand, on the hub, from 1990, on. So there are can be no no RPM's from 1990, on.
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 Posted 12/28/2009  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list
I am not that serious.......yet. lol

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 Posted 12/28/2009  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
wornslick

a little something to sweeten the pot, while I agree that the RedBook for the most part is not a real good price guide, the take a percentage away does not always apply.

there are coins which are considered conditional rarities that far exceed the prices which are listed in the RedBook.

most of these coins will be coins that have an exceptional strike or simply did not circulate like most of their contemporary counterparts.

full step business strike nickels from the early 60's are an example of coins which would fit the conditional rarity catagory.

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 Posted 12/29/2009  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobertBidniuk to your friends list
Sorry a little off topic, but I have noticed that magazines do the same thing and publish magazines dated 2-3 months ahead of the current date. I wonder if there is a good reason for this.
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 Posted 12/29/2009  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list
Metalman,

When I asked for the RedBook for Xmas I must have misunderstood that it would give me a fair price on coins. I realize that there are coins out there that are excellent quaility and that RedBook will not come clsoe to setting a price on them, but I am talking about average to a little above average coins. So my next question is, when I make a trip to the coin shop, how do I, as a newbie, know that I am getting a fair deal on a coin? I have the RedBook and a copy of Coin Prices from Januaray 2010. Thanks,

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 Posted 12/29/2009  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
ebay would be a good place to check things out for what the "current market prices" are on your Proof & Mint Sets.
Keep this in mind though, if you intend to sell them, coin shops must buy your coin materials "well below" their current value, in order for them to re-sell them for a profit. Some consider this "ripping you off", but you must understand that they are only in business to "make a profit". So..... they WILL NOT give you the best price on your stuff generally !
Not to say that you can't find some deals there when "purchasing" coins.....but just don't expect the highest price for your coins when "selling" them there.
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Thanks eaglefoot, I am planing on making a trip today to the coin shop to buy a few coins, that is why I was wanting to know about what a fair price would be and how to go about finding that out. I will take a look at E-Bay.

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 Posted 12/29/2009  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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So my next question is, when I make a trip to the coin shop, how do I, as a newbie, know that I am getting a fair deal on a coin?
I use NumisMedia for current prices. In my opinion, they are solid retail prices, so treat them as the upper price limit when buying coins. By the way, the pages render quite nice on my Droid, making it handy on-the-go.
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 Posted 12/30/2009  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Sorry a little off topic, but I have noticed that magazines do the same thing and publish magazines dated 2-3 months ahead of the current date. I wonder if there is a good reason for this.


A thing that we all are responsible for. Autos come out with dated for the next year. Some autos are made in the middle of one year and get the date of the following year. If that makes people irritated, they then give them dates like 2009and a half. Almost all stores pop up with Christmas stuff right after Holloween. We want the Sunday newspaper on Saturday and sometimes in the morning. We all want a weather report for the next 7 days and we all know they can't even tell us what is happening now. Many people are already discussing the 2010 coins and want them now.
We live in a society of people that want to know the future I guess.

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Thanks eaglefoot, all's right with the world again. LOL So would it be fair to say on Proof and Mint sets, take 15-20% off the price listed in the RedBook,Silver coins also?

Wornslick

That is something you just have to learn about purchasing coins. There is no manufacturers list prices on coins. This means there really is NO real price on them either. There are tons of price guides out there and they are just that, GUIDES. Taking one with you to a coin store is a decent idea if you don't know prices. Always ask a coin dealer if that is his best price on a coin you are interested in. With coins, it's sort of like going to a used car dealer or buying a house. They say one price, you come up with something else. They may counter anther price. You do the same until a deal is made.
If you want to use the Red Book just remember that the vast majority of prices shown are at least 20% to 25% over reality.
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 Posted 12/30/2009  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list

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That is something you just have to learn about purchasing coins. There is no manufacturers list prices on coins. This means there really is NO real price on them either. There are tons of price guides out there and they are just that, GUIDES. Taking one with you to a coin store is a decent idea if you don't know prices. Always ask a coin dealer if that is his best price on a coin you are interested in. With coins, it's sort of like going to a used car dealer or buying a house. They say one price, you come up with something else. They may counter anther price. You do the same until a deal is made.
If you want to use the Red Book just remember that the vast majority of prices shown are at least 20% to 25% over reality.




just carl, you just cleared alot of questions up for me, Thanks.

Wornslick
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